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Post by Allison on Jun 25, 2018 0:04:55 GMT
The Originals- 5.10 'There in the Disappearing Light' Discussion Thread
COLLATERAL DAMAGE — Klaus helps Hope cope with her pain in an unconventional way. A figure from Elijah's past comes back seeking help. Elsewhere, Marcel takes on the nightwalkers, while Vincent deals with the fallout of a fateful decision.
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Post by AJ on Jun 25, 2018 0:39:40 GMT
Ugh, a 3 week hiatus?
Predictions: Antoinette will come back for help, possibly with Roman. Marcel will try and unexplicably fail to take out the bigoted undead, and the witches are turning on Vincent.
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Post by AJ on Jul 12, 2018 3:23:47 GMT
I was right on the first and second, didn't see that last one coming. Along with that ending.
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 12, 2018 12:58:50 GMT
I was wondering if Hope was going to turn/trigger before Legacies. I have my answer. Am I surprised? Nah.
So will she now be a traditional wolf? Or are they going to play the "Hope's different" card? I'll be surprised if they leave her as just a wolf. I'm not going to be surprised at all if it turns out she's still a witch too. I won't be surprised if she somehow learns to harness the power of the Hollow inside her so she's still able to practice magic. I won't be surprised if they destroy the Hollow and discover Hope still has her own power. Cause, you know: she's special.
So much bothers me, but this sticks out:
I hate - hate, hate, hate - how they forced fatherhood/parenthood onto Klaus and made him completely incompetent. I hate, knowing his backstory, that he would still feel like running away is a better option than facing her. I hate that he wasn't strong enough to overcome his own childhood abuse and be there for his daughter - any way he could. I hate how "take your anger out on me" is his go-to solution. I hate how he encouraged his 15-year old daughter to commit torture and mass murder! Yes, she has every right - but just because she has the right doesn't mean she should do it. Hayley is rolling over in her grave. Or maybe not....
I hate how these Nazi Vampires lasted more than a single episode.
I hate that they made Elijah so weak that he had to have his memories erased so he would stay away from his family. I hate how Klaus conveniently forgot that although Elijah has amnesia, he's still an Original Vampire - so what if an enemy shows up? Elijah will figure it out and survive. Instead of protecting Elijah, Klaus should have been scouring the earth looking for a way to destroy the Hollow. Did they really think this was the long-term solution?
And Nazi Vampires got the jump on Marcel? The all-powerful Marcel? Uh-huh. See, this is what I especially hate: making someone so strong, then watering them down to fit whatever storyline is playing out.
They killed Josh (finally) so they can say, "we don't only kill the females!" And the after-life scene. ...part of me doesn't care, the other part feels it's too similar to TVD.
I continue to waiver on whether Elijah will die or not. Before the season started, I was convinced that he was not going to die. That the "moral" of this story is that the Mikaelsons (the core three) survive. They lose everyone else, but they survive. After the last two episodes (8 & 9), I started to waiver. Maybe Elijah wants to die so he can atone for his guilt. But after this episode - and strangely enough, it was Josh's afterlife scene that changed my mind - I'm thinking that he does survive.
I think they'll show Hayley in the after-life with her parents. What she was searching for all along. Josh found Aiden because there was no one else for him. No family. And although it's been 10+ years, Josh didn't find another true love. So of course it makes sense for Josh and Aiden to be reunited.
But I hate this idea of "your true soulmate is waiting for you in the afterlife." TVD showed us it's about family: Jo watching Alaric and the twins. Liz watching Caroline. Stefan reuniting with Lexi, his best friend, then Damon, his brother. Elena reuniting with her family. Even Tyler and Vicki watching over Matt. Tyler and Vicki aren't together in the afterlife because they were soulmates - even though they were in love in S1. They're Matt's family and watching over him.
Aiden was Josh's family and love.
Hayley should be with her parents. Cami should be with Sean and Kieren.
If Freya dies (still my prediction), she should reunite with Mikael.
Honestly, if Elijah dies, he should be reunited with the person where it all began: Tatia. Not so they can live happily ever afterlife, but so Elijah can find peace finally knowing that Tatia forgives him.
But - I know it won't be that way.
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Post by Allison on Jul 12, 2018 15:46:41 GMT
To be fair, the Tatia card requires Nina Dobrev and while The Originals means she might be willing, it would honestly overshadow the series too much as the main character of The Vampire Diaries- it wouldn't matter if she was playing Tatia instead of Elena- the filler this season is insane, they needed a back order for Season Four at the most- Josh dying was predictable and didn't really move me all that much- though Marcel got taken down by his own hubris.
The Originals were always vulnerable to magic which hearkens back to Season Two of TVD and getting told how Klaus could still be killed at the hands of the servants of nature by enough magic and Marcel losing a friend by the power he had desired to be an equal... irony upon irony. Klaus as a dad- Hayley would have been just as single minded in that situation, no matter her speech about putting themselves before others, Hope is worth it and no one means as much as her. And shocker... kid ends up with a massive complex- the family and the way they handle things isn't unusual- Klaus screwing up extra is padding since we can't just skip all the extra material for the ending we're ready for.
Filler is frustrating as frell.
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Post by tissuepaper on Jul 12, 2018 21:41:16 GMT
They killed Josh (finally) so they can say, "we don't only kill the females!" And the after-life scene. ...part of me doesn't care, the other part feels it's too similar to TVD. To be fair, those same people could say "They may not have killed another female character, but they did take away one of their only gay characters. That being said, I'm glad he's dead. I don't hate Josh, but his character has been useless for a long time now. I contend that the best ending would be of Klaus and Hayley together in the afterlife worrying about Hope, but wishing her the best. It's not romantic, but shows two people who always felt alone finding hope and 'salvation' through their daughter. I know they're going to reunite Elijah and Hayley though, but I really wish they wouldn't. You can tell us last season that they're toxic, only to have a happy ending. Let Elijah live without having the burden of family on his back and have Klaus die, because he actually deserves it (he is a mass murdering villain) and it would close this chapter of the Originals and pass the torch to Legacies. It would also teach Hope a valuable lesson that actions have consequences. In order to get one parent to be with her, she lost both. The potential for her would be amazing if they went this way.
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Post by Madamimadam on Jul 13, 2018 0:32:54 GMT
OMG, so much has happened. I haven't been able to watch and am not interested but this forum has been keeping me up to date. Thanks people. WOW they finally killed Josh. Was his death justified or was it to satisfy a ship? I still think that Elijah will die and and HE will get their HEA in afterlife but if they gave one couple a hEA (Josh Adian) in afterlife will they do that to the other couple too. I just hope they give him a good death and not to satisfy a ship. With Elijah's death, Klaus will be able to get a life of his own finally. For the first time he will be TRULY free of his brother which is also perfect time for him to get into a proper relationship. Cue Caroline enters. I do think that we will get references of Klaus and Caroline and maybe other Mikealsons too in the spin-off in the form of letters or dialogues. People who will survive the show are Marcel, Rebekah, Klaus, Caroline, Kol, Davina, Vincent I am not sure who but either Keelin or Freya will die. daydreamer Hayley found what she was looking for in Mikealsons. She found a family in them. She does not NEED to unite with her family to feel fulfilled. I am sure she will be happy to be reunited with them and I think that is what will happen but she does not have a huge hole in her life like she had when we started with this show. She had Elijah, Klaus, Hope, Rebekah, Marcel, Vincent, Kol in her life by the time she died. tissuepaper I agree with you on Elijah and Klaus but I am 99% sure that Elijah will die protecting Hope or KLaus to assuage his guilt. He is terribly guilty of his role in Hayley's death so whenever he will get an opportunity he will take it. I too think Klaus should die but he will not and that is basically because JP wants to give KC chance. Otherwise I dont think he has truly "redeemed" or become a better father or human-being (O well lets say being). @allision I think even if NINA was available, Elijah would never have gotten his HEA with Tatia in after-life.
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 13, 2018 1:06:30 GMT
daydreamer Hayley found what she was looking for in Mikealsons. She found a family in them. She does not NEED to unite with her family to feel fulfilled. I am sure she will be happy to be reunited with them and I think that is what will happen but she does not have a huge hole in her life like she had when we started with this show. She had Elijah, Klaus, Hope, Rebekah, Marcel, Vincent, Kol in her life by the time she died.
They were the family Hayley was stuck with. She didn't choose them. She didn't want them (S1-S3). S4, she finally accepted it. But by the end of S4, they were broken and forced apart. It sounds like Klaus even cut ties with Hayley when he abandoned Hope. She may have visited Elijah (preview for the next episode), but he had no idea who she was. Or if he did, he didn't care. I can't see her being close with Kol and Davina. And there may have been phone calls, texts, Skype/Facetime videos, or visits with Rebekah and Marcel, but we didn't see it. And TBH, it doesn't sound like it was. And I don't think she considered Vincent family. A friend, maybe. He was more of an allie. The person she was probably closest with was Freya. But I never saw any scenes of them together that indicated they were close. I maintain that there was always a part of her that longed for her family - her parents. Any siblings she had. Aunts, uncles, cousins. THAT was her entire motivation ever since she broke her curse. Her search, her longing for the truth, for her family, was what started this whole freaking mess. IMO, if they show an afterlife scene with Hayley, then she should finally find what she was searching for all along - her parents. Do I honestly think that'll happen? No.
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Post by Madamimadam on Jul 13, 2018 1:24:46 GMT
daydreamer Hayley found what she was looking for in Mikealsons. She found a family in them. She does not NEED to unite with her family to feel fulfilled. I am sure she will be happy to be reunited with them and I think that is what will happen but she does not have a huge hole in her life like she had when we started with this show. She had Elijah, Klaus, Hope, Rebekah, Marcel, Vincent, Kol in her life by the time she died.
They were the family Hayley was stuck with. She didn't choose them. She didn't want them (S1-S3). S4, she finally accepted it. But by the end of S4, they were broken and forced apart. It sounds like Klaus even cut ties with Hayley when he abandoned Hope. She may have visited Elijah (preview for the next episode), but he had no idea who she was. Or if he did, he didn't care. I can't see her being close with Kol and Davina. And there may have been phone calls, texts, Skype/Facetime videos, or visits with Rebekah and Marcel, but we didn't see it. And TBH, it doesn't sound like it was. And I don't think she considered Vincent family. A friend, maybe. He was more of an allie. The person she was probably closest with was Freya. But I never saw any scenes of them together that indicated they were close. I maintain that there was always a part of her that longed for her family - her parents. Any siblings she had. Aunts, uncles, cousins. THAT was her entire motivation ever since she broke her curse. Her search, her longing for the truth, for her family, was what started this whole freaking mess. IMO, if they show an afterlife scene with Hayley, then she should finally find what she was searching for all along - her parents. Do I honestly think that'll happen? No. Ironically we don't choose the families we are born into. We are stuck with them. She did choose them. She called herself Mikaelson in s2 and never went back to Marshall IIRC. Yes they had problems just like normal families have. She did make different choices. She did choose wolves over Mikaelson but wasn't she married to Jackson at that time. Shouldn't she have chosen Jackson over Mikealson at that point?She ran from Mikealson because in her mother panic twisted mind she thought that will keep Hope safe. I might not be remembering the timeline clearly. Anyways Jackson was her chosen family too, those wolves too and same goes for Mikealsons. Also she chose to come back and live in the manor after Jackson's death.. choosing them once again. I guess we will have to disagree. I never found anything clearcut on this show. The relationships, feelings nothing is clearcut. I however do hope that she gets to see her parents and finally et her HEA with Elijah because THAT is a big hole in her heart right now. I think she cannot help wanting him even though her mind does not concile with her choice (heart). Didnt her parents die protecting her? hmm dont remember the details.
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Post by AJ on Jul 13, 2018 1:40:14 GMT
That ain't even a question - of course Hope will be a special wolf/witch/what the hell ever. That's the whole premise, dontchaknow. *eyeroll* Pretty sure Klaus was just using Elijah's amnesia as a justification for his rampage, which Caroline called him out on. And Marcel should have waited for some backup. I hope the show doesn't go the cutesy route with this happy-ever-after stuff we got with Josh and Ivy. I'm glad the ancestors are gone, though. Jerks. I don't get why people are sure Elijah will die, though. I have no doubts this show will end with the Always and Forever trio alive and kicking. Death has no meaning on this show if you're a Mikaelson (unless you're a parent or sanctimonious older bro - oh okay, now I get it).
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Post by Madamimadam on Jul 13, 2018 1:43:23 GMT
This!!
They might surprise me but I think unless Elijah dies, Klaus will never truly have his OWN life with Caroline.
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Post by AJ on Jul 13, 2018 1:43:49 GMT
With Elijah's death, Klaus will be able to get a life of his own finally. For the first time he will be TRULY free of his brother which is also perfect time for him to get into a proper relationship. Cue Caroline enters. Wait, what? Elijah isn't stopping Klaus from having a relationship, Klaus is the one who is so needy and dependent that he prevented his siblings from having meaningful relationships for centuries. He's only recently been able to allow them to be with other people. The only one stopping Klaus from dating is Klaus.
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Post by AJ on Jul 13, 2018 1:50:18 GMT
Re: Hayley and the Mikaelsons being her family -
I do think she was kinda stuck with them at first, but when they were cursed/in stasis, she could have just left them there indefinitely. She had considered them a danger to Hope previously, and this was a perfect chance to keep them away. But by then she was considering them family. If not her own by blood, then adopted because of Hope. Also, fairly sure after Jackson died she went back to Marshall, and calling herself Mikaelson was just a reminder that she does consider herself part of the family.
I do hope that if we do see a HEA for Hayley it's a reunion with her parents/family/Jackson/Mary (did she die? I feel like she was mentioned as dead this season). People who died to protect her and loved her dearly.
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Post by Madamimadam on Jul 13, 2018 1:51:36 GMT
With Elijah's death, Klaus will be able to get a life of his own finally. For the first time he will be TRULY free of his brother which is also perfect time for him to get into a proper relationship. Cue Caroline enters. Wait, what? Elijah isn't stopping Klaus from having a relationship, Klaus is the one who is so needy and dependent that he prevented his siblings from having meaningful relationships for centuries. He's only recently been able to allow them to be with other people. The only one stopping Klaus from dating is Klaus. You are right. It is Klaus who is dependent on Elijah. Elijah is not actively doing anything to do that but with him out of picture entirely (as in dead) Klaus will finally learn to walk on two feet, maybe? With him alive Klaus will always go to him because he cannot and does not want to learn to walk without Elijah.
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Post by tissuepaper on Jul 13, 2018 12:37:55 GMT
If Elijah dies instead of Klaus and Klaus gets to live somewhere in Europe with Caroline, then what would be the point of this season? The season started with Klaus being a deadbeat dad and it will end with him being a deadbeat dad. The only redemption he should have is dying for the sake of his daughter. Granted, it wouldn't be a full redemption, but it would bring his character to a complete circle.
I know fans want him to be happy with Caroline, but the ending that I keep hearing about makes me feel like we're right back where we started. Hope is in school, Klaus is a deadbeat and the happy Originals are with their SOs.
Regarding the episode: I was reading reddit and someone said that the first born curse may have already started. Hayley, Ivy and possibly Josh are first born. So Freya might be in danger there. Davina too.
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