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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 16, 2017 5:22:32 GMT
Saw the episode..
1) I knew they will purify Jackson's legacy. His grandfather was nice man who was possessed.. what a surprise.
2) Karma Hayley.. She always blamed Mikealson for bringing evil after Hope. Now it is her turn.
3) Klaus has changed; Elijah is right. Klaus felt guilty for killing those three innocent people. I have never seen him guilty for any sort of killing. He did spare Marcel even though he was about to kill him. Confession: I am at lost at how Klaus really feels for Marcel. I am starting to question if he really sees him as family or not. In s3 end he talked bout his family and Marcel as separate entity and even in this episode he said "my family is not safe until you are dealt with". I guess blood is thicker than any relationship. Okay so here is how I saw the change of mind... Klaus was very clear to Freya and ghost Mikela that he will not kill Marcel but then Mikael told him that his daughter could die. Klaus at once changed his mind ( we all knew that he would kill Marcel only if his daughter's life is in danger). Then Klaus saw Elijah trying to kill Marcel and heard Mikael urging and then changed his mind. What finally changed his mind? I know he said later to Elijah that he changed his mind coz he didnt want the HOLLOW to win and frankly after seeing two of his scenes with Marcel in 321 and 405 I think too but was Klaus disguising his real reason to avoid being labeled as "weak"; "Mercy is for weak" He did hear that immediately after he snapped Marcel's neck. Klaus covet expressions when he was expressing why he did that to Elijah were like he was hiding something, probably the truth behind his decision. Elijah reads Klaus like a book and he reached the same conclusion I am theorizing. Correct me if I am wrong.
4) I liked ELijah's talk with Marcel until he started on Marcel was nothing to Klaus. Did he sort of apologized to Marcel? "I was forced to make a decision...." What did he mean by calling Marcel Klaus's weakness? Does he think that Klaus will get into danger in trying to protect Marcel? What did Elijah say to Marcel before leaving the cage? Why was Marcel calling him? MN said in a tweet today that Elijah feels guilty for killing Marcel. Did we get that impression from their talk? At last he confessed today that he does not see Marcel as his son NOW. But did he have to be so cruel to say "something like a son..." Klaus refer to Marcel as his son, does he not?
Is Hope Klaus's weakness or Marcel or both OR are they both his strength? I like to think the later but I am confused. The writing narrative is not matching the acting.
5) Marcel even though physically powerful than Elijah is still scared of Elijah and truly hates him (no surprise there). Just like Klaus was haunted by Mikael, Marcel was haunted by the person he is scared and hated.
6) Mikael really screwed up Klaus and perhaps his other kids too. It is a wonder that Klaus is still capable of loving people and is loved by a select few in return. It is no wonder he has become an abuser in return. He does not have a good role model. their dialogues were quite illuminating. I liked him questioning Mikael being as unloved by his parents as he was. I wonder if history was repeating itself with Mikael too?
I found the comparison interesting "Mercy is for the weak" Mikael "Being kind does not make you weak" Hayley to Klaus in 316 I think
7) So Dominic is servant of Hollow. And Sophia too?
8) Didnt Elijah and Freya look into the Hollow too before Freya whooshed it? Is it possible that Hollow has possessed Elijah? When the episode started they showed what happened previously and Vincent dialogue to Elijah "... everything that you want to keep buried, it is going to use that and make you do what it wants you to do" Who among all of our protagonist wants to bury most ? Klaus embraces his dark side. Elijah fights it. Vincent fights it. Hollow has possessed him once. I think it will posses Elijah later in the season.
9) Hollow apparently had been trapped in the city for GOD knows how long. I will not be surprised if it goes back as long as Mikaelson history... But the question is who trapped him last time? Apparently it was free somewhat 25 years ago coz it possessed Jackson's grandfather. I guess we will find out in 406
10) Elijah and Hayley wanting to set up a home with each other, mentioned second time within days, I think is a bad foreshadowing towards the couples HEA. I am not sure how I feel about it. I hate that Elijah and Hayley want to set up a house with Hope with Klaus getting visitation rights but not surprised. Knew this will happen if this couple became a cannon. On the other hand I get that they are in love and want to spend rest of their lives together.
11) Elijah, I think is reaching a stage where he might be willing to wash his hands off of Klaus. He is seeing that he is changing. He might be willing to let him (Klaus) go on his Klaus own now and live his own life with Hayley.
12) Mary's really hates vampires lol. I sympathize with her. And she really loves Hope and Hayley.
13) Freya and Keelin is moving pretty fast. It is classic case of Stockholm syndrome. they are already friends and Freya has apologized to her already. I also got a vibe of Keelin as a new Cami for Freya. Could be good for Freya in long run. Freya admitting that she had to do things for her family that she regretted once again show how much she is like Elijah. Klaus has yet to regret for anything bad he has done so far.
14) God Sophia is getting on my nerves. Dont like her at all. She wants revenge coz Klaus must have killed someone in her family.
15) And the new WOS is a thorn! Really? Quite genius if you ask me. Something so small no one would see it coming and I have a theory. This thorn came from the Original White oak tree which was burn 1000 years ago and Hollow had kept it which means someone from that time era is in current time Era. I read this theory that Sophia is related to Tatia someway. What did Dominic tell Sophia about Marcel's blood and what was growing in that blood? Was it the Hollow expanding?
16) How could I forget Hayley confessing to what she did while looking for her parents LOl? She was referring to hybrid killings and some. Elijah does not want to hear those confessions( he looked down and away when she confessed like in 403). Why? Is he in denial or he does not want to see her lower from the pedestal he has put her on?
I guess the show real time run time will be one week LOL? IMO even though the writing is not bad but I think it is all over the place.
Anyways one tango coming up next episode.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 16, 2017 5:37:06 GMT
Surprising no one, Marcel and Klaus refused to kill each other. Surprising me, there was no death. I expected it to be either Marcel or his new side dish (what does she want revenge for?), based on the scene in the magic-free bar that somehow is always stocked even when covered in dust. Also, kinda feeling the vibe between Keelin and Freya. God damn, Elijah. I mean, always and forever, sure, but there's a perfect example of why people don't like your family. We have a new plot device! A weapon to take down Originals, in the form of a ...... thorn. Are you fucking kidding me, writers? Marcel was never going to kill Klaus. Klaus on the other hand I am confused. Read my full review of the episode. Maybe you can shed some light. Must be from Klaus since she is dancing with him in 406. And Klaus must have killed someone in her family LOL. Yep clear vibe. Agree about Elijah. I liked the idea of thorn.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 16, 2017 5:43:06 GMT
Surprising no one, Marcel and Klaus refused to kill each other. Surprising me, there was no death. I expected it to be either Marcel or his new side dish (what does she want revenge for?), based on the scene in the magic-free bar that somehow is always stocked even when covered in dust. Also, kinda feeling the vibe between Keelin and Freya. God damn, Elijah. I mean, always and forever, sure, but there's a perfect example of why people don't like your family. We have a new plot device! A weapon to take down Originals, in the form of a ...... thorn. Are you fucking kidding me, writers? Yeah for a moment they had me believing Marcel was a goner but no. On the other hand the Hollow reminds me a lot of the First of Buffy's last season, as in being incorporeal and using hallucinations instead. And there all the mayor deaths happened during the last episode. It's 2 plot devices, a thorn and a knife (again) to even the odds. At least GOT has cool swords. I think Freya's sexuality is more fluid, women being part of her post Dahlia self discovery like the 100 Clarke or Marissa Cooper. Too bad Stefan can't visit to prove my point ;-) Somehow I'm still hoping the Hollow turns Hope into a weapon of mass destruction, hence all the Lebonair talk.
Interesting. Can happen. The Hollow is a witch from my understanding so maybe it saw a vision that someone from lebonair family will lead to the death of witches (season 1 Sabine vision came from ancestors too). Maybe that is why it tried to kill Hayley's parents/ family in the first place. No one knew Hayley lived except for Marcel at that time. it was like two birds with one stone. They were being friendly with vampires ad their child produced a witch who could be death of witches. Theory is that Hollow is Samir. Who was he btw and how old was he? I didnt see TVD regularly.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 16, 2017 16:08:24 GMT
So after a full night of "restful" sleep,I have a question. What Elijah said to Marcel about him not being enough for him to redeem, what did he mean? Was it and still is Marcel's job Or for that matter is it Hope's job to put Klaus on redemption path? Should it be Marcel or Hope's burden that their father has to be a better person for them? Did he just tell/implied to Marcel that he had somehow failed Klaus to become a better person? Is it going to be now Hope's burden? Kids shouldnt have this huge of a burden. I dont find it touching ANYMORE esp Elijah voicing out him seeing Hope OR Marcel previously as some sort of golden ticket to his brother's redemption.
Why does Klaus have to be a better person for ANYONE? Why shouldnt it be for himself?
Edit: Another thought. Elijah saw Klaus showing mercy to Marcel and he saw into Klaus the real reason for not killing Marcel. The next scene he went to Marcel and say all that to him. Could it be that Elijah does not want Klaus to share that special corner of his heart with anyone other than HOPE? We know that Elijah woulld do anything for his family (select blood relations). Hope is family. Marcel is no longer (cannon from last night dialogue) to him. MN said "family above all" comes with a price; humanity loss. Elijah knows that but he is willing to pay that for his family. He is being devil's advocate so that Klaus should only focus to Hope and not Hope AND Marcel? He is deliberately hurting Marcel by those cruel words just like what he did when Marcel was younger but in this case he wants Marcel to distance himself from Klaus so that he is no longer Klaus's "weakness"
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2017 1:50:25 GMT
I don't know that this is anyone's fault, really. I don't really believe the Hollow is haunting anyone in particular, it seems to be willing to go after whoever it wants/needs to accomplish its goals. I think Hayley is projecting, because stuff keeps happening.
I may be in the minority, but I don't think Marcel and Klaus will actually kill each other UNLESS Marcel becomes a true threat to Hope (which isn't likely - he's always been about protecting kids and he's been helping Hope). That's what happened - even though it was a manipulation by the Hollow, Klaus believed Marcel was a legit threat to his daughter. He backed off once he was able to throw off the visions and come back to his own head. That's what's got Elijah pissed off, I think. He knows that Klaus can't bring himself to kill Marcel because there's still a bond there. Elijah himself may believe that mercy is for the weak. He grew up being preached at by Mikael as well.
That wasn't an apology. That was "I did what I had to, sucks to be you" with a side helping of self-righteousness. He thinks Marcel is Klaus's weakness because Klaus couldn't bring himself to kill him. I certainly didn't get the impression Elijah felt guilt for killing Marcel.
Hope is the entire family's weakness; Marcel is Klaus's weakness because he can't bring himself to kill someone who could end their family. I think Elijah and Freya are of one mind: Marcel has to die. Klaus seems to be second-guessing that and may just decide to pack up and leave NOLA permanently.
I'm not clear on why Marcel fears Elijah. Marcel is the ultimate, he can wipe them all out. Why is he afraid?
Don't remember the episode, but it was hinted at in an earlier season that Mikael had a tumultuous relationship with his own father, and that he had to have learned his views on weak from someone.
Still want to know what purpose Dominic and Sophia have. Why does Sophia want Klaus dead?
Probably will be Elijah being possessed. Thought it would be Klaus, but that seems too obvious. Could still be Freya, though.
Yeah, the "Vincent freed the Hollow when he severed the link with the ancestors" seems like bull because that link has been there for centuries. How was it operating before, and how was it sealed away?
Please break up Haylijah. Please.
I think you're reaching with that thorn theory. It came from Marcel's blood, which contained ash from the tree. The Hollow just pulled that out of the blood and made it solid. But it is pretty clever. It could be planted in a hairbrush, for instance. The Hollow was feeding on the power of Marcel's blood (since he's the most powerful vampire alive).
If you put someone on a pedestal, they have no choice but to look down at you. I think Elijah's tendency to see Hayley as something pure is grating a bit on her, because she knows the things she's done.
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2017 1:54:27 GMT
The only one who can redeem Klaus is himself. The question is, what will be the catalyst for him wanting to do so?
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 17, 2017 3:45:52 GMT
I think she embodies both brothers in a way, even though I'm starting to see more of Elijah in her than Klaus. Elijah grew up supporting his dad's abuse towards Klaus. The guilt is there and I think more than Klaus, Elijah desires to not be his father. Unfortunately, he's done that by coming off as rational and good, but that undercurrent of ruthlessness is still there. It's all he knows really. He spent his youth support his dad's abuse and then spent centuries support Klaus'.
It's kind of sad now that I think about it. He's caught in a vicious cycle and really needs some therapy to help him get out of it. Freya is the same in the sense that she was taken from home and made a lackey for Dahlia's cruel fun. She's probably seen some really horrible stuff and had to play a support role in it. She does come out as somewhat well adjusted on the outside, but she only knows how to be ruthless. You can't fix that overnight. And with Klaus, both were probably abused by their guardian but it's different because Freya knew that she had a family that loved her back home while Klaus had no one.I'd say Klaus is more like Hayley in that they were both abandoned by their 'parents' and sought out a family of their own, but they still have some level of vulnerability to them despite the fact that they've both done some pretty horrible stuff. Sorry for the rambling, I swear it sounds a lot better in my head. He tried to stop it, but was threatened to get hit as well. You can not expect kids to stand up to a ruthless adult if other adults wont even. Freya had it WAY worse. She was actually on her own, Klaus had a family. His siblings were scared kids like he was, they couldn't stand up to Mikael and Elijah did try. After they turned, everything that happened to Klaus was his own doing and he lived like a king who was never satisfied. Elijah was a scared kid who was forced into doing something horrible. He was threatened, but that doesn't mean that he doesn't feel guilty over being a participant in the torture of his brother. Even though he wasn't beaten, he was still abused by Mikael albeit in a different way. We can see this manifest again with how he is towards Klaus. He knows his brother is crappy sometimes, but he still participates in the evil that Klaus does because...family. He didn't stand up to Mikael, because he was a kid. And he didn't stand up to Klaus, because he was guilty. Freya was on her own, but she knew that she still had her family out there and was willing to go back to them. Hayley is the same in this regard, only she found out that her family was dead and that her ex husband's grandfather is the reason for that...along with the Hollow. She didn't have an easy time, but she still had hope while Klaus only had loneliness, despite having his family around.
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Post by etoilemely on Apr 17, 2017 3:59:04 GMT
I don't know that this is anyone's fault, really. I don't really believe the Hollow is haunting anyone in particular, it seems to be willing to go after whoever it wants/needs to accomplish its goals. I think Hayley is projecting, because stuff keeps happening. I may be in the minority, but I don't think Marcel and Klaus will actually kill each other UNLESS Marcel becomes a true threat to Hope (which isn't likely - he's always been about protecting kids and he's been helping Hope). That's what happened - even though it was a manipulation by the Hollow, Klaus believed Marcel was a legit threat to his daughter. He backed off once he was able to throw off the visions and come back to his own head. That's what's got Elijah pissed off, I think. He knows that Klaus can't bring himself to kill Marcel because there's still a bond there. Elijah himself may believe that mercy is for the weak. He grew up being preached at by Mikael as well. That wasn't an apology. That was "I did what I had to, sucks to be you" with a side helping of self-righteousness. He thinks Marcel is Klaus's weakness because Klaus couldn't bring himself to kill him. I certainly didn't get the impression Elijah felt guilt for killing Marcel. Hope is the entire family's weakness; Marcel is Klaus's weakness because he can't bring himself to kill someone who could end their family. I think Elijah and Freya are of one mind: Marcel has to die. Klaus seems to be second-guessing that and may just decide to pack up and leave NOLA permanently. I'm not clear on why Marcel fears Elijah. Marcel is the ultimate, he can wipe them all out. Why is he afraid? Don't remember the episode, but it was hinted at in an earlier season that Mikael had a tumultuous relationship with his own father, and that he had to have learned his views on weak from someone. Still want to know what purpose Dominic and Sophia have. Why does Sophia want Klaus dead? Probably will be Elijah being possessed. Thought it would be Klaus, but that seems too obvious. Could still be Freya, though. Yeah, the "Vincent freed the Hollow when he severed the link with the ancestors" seems like bull because that link has been there for centuries. How was it operating before, and how was it sealed away?Please break up Haylijah. Please. I think you're reaching with that thorn theory. It came from Marcel's blood, which contained ash from the tree. The Hollow just pulled that out of the blood and made it solid. But it is pretty clever. It could be planted in a hairbrush, for instance. The Hollow was feeding on the power of Marcel's blood (since he's the most powerful vampire alive).If you put someone on a pedestal, they have no choice but to look down at you. I think Elijah's tendency to see Hayley as something pure is grating a bit on her, because she knows the things she's done. Vincent freed indirectly in a way the Hollow WITH the energy relased from severing the link with the ancestor. It seem the Hollow used the energy from that to escape... And the thorn from what the witch guy said is that the blood Marcel spilled was accepted as an offering so they got recompensed form that with the thorn made with Marcel blood that can kill an original.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 17, 2017 4:31:39 GMT
I don't know that this is anyone's fault, really. I don't really believe the Hollow is haunting anyone in particular, it seems to be willing to go after whoever it wants/needs to accomplish its goals. I think Hayley is projecting, because stuff keeps happening. I may be in the minority, but I don't think Marcel and Klaus will actually kill each other UNLESS Marcel becomes a true threat to Hope (which isn't likely - he's always been about protecting kids and he's been helping Hope). That's what happened - even though it was a manipulation by the Hollow, Klaus believed Marcel was a legit threat to his daughter. He backed off once he was able to throw off the visions and come back to his own head. That's what's got Elijah pissed off, I think. He knows that Klaus can't bring himself to kill Marcel because there's still a bond there. Elijah himself may believe that mercy is for the weak. He grew up being preached at by Mikael as well. That wasn't an apology. That was "I did what I had to, sucks to be you" with a side helping of self-righteousness. He thinks Marcel is Klaus's weakness because Klaus couldn't bring himself to kill him. I certainly didn't get the impression Elijah felt guilt for killing Marcel. Hope is the entire family's weakness; Marcel is Klaus's weakness because he can't bring himself to kill someone who could end their family. I think Elijah and Freya are of one mind: Marcel has to die. Klaus seems to be second-guessing that and may just decide to pack up and leave NOLA permanently. I'm not clear on why Marcel fears Elijah. Marcel is the ultimate, he can wipe them all out. Why is he afraid? Don't remember the episode, but it was hinted at in an earlier season that Mikael had a tumultuous relationship with his own father, and that he had to have learned his views on weak from someone. Still want to know what purpose Dominic and Sophia have. Why does Sophia want Klaus dead? Probably will be Elijah being possessed. Thought it would be Klaus, but that seems too obvious. Could still be Freya, though. Yeah, the "Vincent freed the Hollow when he severed the link with the ancestors" seems like bull because that link has been there for centuries. How was it operating before, and how was it sealed away? Please break up Haylijah. Please. I think you're reaching with that thorn theory. It came from Marcel's blood, which contained ash from the tree. The Hollow just pulled that out of the blood and made it solid. But it is pretty clever. It could be planted in a hairbrush, for instance. The Hollow was feeding on the power of Marcel's blood (since he's the most powerful vampire alive). If you put someone on a pedestal, they have no choice but to look down at you. I think Elijah's tendency to see Hayley as something pure is grating a bit on her, because she knows the things she's done. Yeah I didnt see any apology or guilt either but I thought I should ask, maybe I was being harsh on Elijah. You know how much I love him lol. I find it very fascinating that Marcel is scared of Elijah. I think that scare is because of the emotional control Elijah has on him. Marcel as a child and even as an adult (I cannot recall which episode was it when they showed us) cared of Elijah's opinion of him. Elijah hurt Marcel badly when he pushed him away from him as a child and Marcel has still not gotten over that. A person does not harbor on the hurt caused by another person unless that person is important to him in some way. Maybe he wants Elijah's aproval and is scared of his rejection just like Klaus is of Mikael. As a "father" it was expected of Mikael to love his child (Klaus)(He didnt know that Mikael was not his father until they became vampires so that expectation was there). Mikael failed klaus. Elijah failed Marcel too, IMO. The way Marcel was calling after him after that speech was interesting too.... there was a plead (?) in his voice? I am with you about klaus and Marcel not killing each other. I am just confused at how Klaus really sees him, as his son, really part of his family or what? Some of his actions speak otherwise. MN did say that Elijah sees himself in Marcel. I am not sure what does that really mean honestly. I dont see any similarities between Marcel and Elijah. So Elijah is really concern and angry that in the case of Marcel trying to kill the family Klaus will not kill him? I think we will find out about Sophia in next episode. I know from spoiler. Hint hint Klaus did something bad Dominic is, I think after power. he wants to steal the Hollow or be possessed by it. he likes Power IMO. I really want Elijah to be possessed. I think they might be building up to that with this harsh behavior of Elijah. From my understanding Hollow used the energy released by the severing of the link to the ancestral plane to get free. As for why the HOllow had been trapped so far, I thought about it and it is possible that in the past 25 years nothing big like the current event happened. Haylijah is the endgame. It will not end unless. The only way I see it not getting an HEA is if Elijah dies. Hayley loves him too much to see that he is getting too in deep with "family above all". Elijah loves her too much to see that she has screwed up morals too. I think that right she is content that he is accepting her for who she is but if it kept on this track it might lead to something else. We might get to see "them loving the image of each other" which Carina said will be explored this season. There is another thing to consider: In Elijah's eyes there is no limit you cannot cross to protect your family so he does not see what Hayley did for her family as something bad unlike Hayley. TBH I am very wary of what they will do with Keelin and Freya. I didnt like their "romantic vibe" scenes together. I didnt think that thorn grew from Marcel's blood. I got the feeling that thorn already existed but now that you are mentioning it, I am remembering those vine growing out of Marcel's blood. What the heck was that? Are you referring to that as thorn but then they will have multiple thorns not just one. Nope I think thorn already existed. But it needs white oak ash if it is to be used against an Original. Lucien used that ash in that mix he used to become uber which means marcel's blood had it in it so from the blood they will get the ash.. Does that make sense lol? SO elijah does not want Marcel to be Klaus's redemption catalyst anymore? he once thought differently but now he does not think so and felt the need to twist the knife in the already open wound? Lastly I can see Hayley protecting her fears on something that is not there... LOL reminds of Klaus's "paranoia" but I think there is something to it since we are going to get the flashback and exploring of that story line.
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2017 5:47:10 GMT
Vincent freed indirectly in a way the Hollow WITH the energy relased from severing the link with the ancestor. It seem the Hollow used the energy from that to escape... And the thorn from what the witch guy said is that the blood Marcel spilled was accepted as an offering so they got recompensed form that with the thorn made with Marcel blood that can kill an original. Ah, okay, thanks for the clarify.
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2017 6:06:14 GMT
It probably has to do with Marcel wanting Elijah to be a father figure instead of Klaus (he was teaching Marcel classic literature at one point) and Elijah ultimately rejecting him as did his own father. I got the impression that as Marcel grew he didn't want to learn from Klaus. It was pretty clear that Marcel looked up to and respected Elijah before being pushed away. We even saw a hint of it in season 2, when Marcel nudged Elijah into training new vamps.
I think Klaus does still see Marcel as a family member, which is why he couldn't bring himself to kill him. That may change in the future but I think Elijah is concerned that Klaus will hesitate at the wrong time and someone in their family will die. That's why Marcel is currently caged in a magic circle.
I see similarities between Elijah and Marcel. Both think highly of themselves, both are convinced they're doing right by their family and both can give pretty self-righteous speeches.
Will wait and see with Dominic and Sophia, as I have no idea what their game is. Dominic can't be so stupid as to think he can control the Hollow.
I'm so over Hayley and Elijah.
I suppose there could be a lot of things infused with Marcel's blood, which contains the ash, meaning it could kill them. Oh god, they're setting up a season full of random lethal stuff.
I don't think Elijah doesn't want Marcel to be the catalyst, just that he doesn't believe Marcel is the catalyst. He quite obviously considers Marcel a liability.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 17, 2017 15:24:20 GMT
It probably has to do with Marcel wanting Elijah to be a father figure instead of Klaus (he was teaching Marcel classic literature at one point) and Elijah ultimately rejecting him as did his own father. I got the impression that as Marcel grew he didn't want to learn from Klaus. It was pretty clear that Marcel looked up to and respected Elijah before being pushed away. We even saw a hint of it in season 2, when Marcel nudged Elijah into training new vamps. I think Klaus does still see Marcel as a family member, which is why he couldn't bring himself to kill him. That may change in the future but I think Elijah is concerned that Klaus will hesitate at the wrong time and someone in their family will die. That's why Marcel is currently caged in a magic circle. I see similarities between Elijah and Marcel. Both think highly of themselves, both are convinced they're doing right by their family and both can give pretty self-righteous speeches. Will wait and see with Dominic and Sophia, as I have no idea what their game is. Dominic can't be so stupid as to think he can control the Hollow. I'm so over Hayley and Elijah. I suppose there could be a lot of things infused with Marcel's blood, which contains the ash, meaning it could kill them. Oh god, they're setting up a season full of random lethal stuff. I don't think Elijah doesn't want Marcel to be the catalyst, just that he doesn't believe Marcel is the catalyst. He quite obviously considers Marcel a liability. OH no.. I was wrong. The ash was needed for the daggers to work not the stake itself. Stupidity and over confidence go hand in hand IMO. So yeah I can see Dominic thinking that he can control the Hollow. I remember that time when Elijah saw Klaus saving Marcel and saw that glimmer of hope that his human brother was in there somewhere.... so there was a time when Elijah viewed marcel as Klaus's source of redemption. He does not see him anymore. But he didnt have to be so cruel to tell him that. The difference between Elijah and Marcel is that Marcel has a line which he will not cross, Elijah does not and that is what makes him better than Elijah. Elijah and Marcel from my understanding and your post is like a typical case of children wanting someone else to be your parent coz they are disappointed in their own parents but that other person does not want to be your parent.
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 17, 2017 19:24:18 GMT
But they are also alike in that they feel like they're doing the right thing, but forget about the bystanders who hate their guts for their actions.
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2017 20:13:11 GMT
I remember that time when Elijah saw Klaus saving Marcel and saw that glimmer of hope that his human brother was in there somewhere.... so there was a time when Elijah viewed marcel as Klaus's source of redemption. He does not see him anymore. But he didnt have to be so cruel to tell him that. I think that's part of the loss of humanity Narducci was hinting at. I agree that Marcel has a line, which means he still has some humanity, while the Originals have far less of it. Not gonna lie, still love Elijah but he was a dick to Marcel at the end of the ep.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 17, 2017 20:37:42 GMT
I remember that time when Elijah saw Klaus saving Marcel and saw that glimmer of hope that his human brother was in there somewhere.... so there was a time when Elijah viewed marcel as Klaus's source of redemption. He does not see him anymore. But he didnt have to be so cruel to tell him that. I think that's part of the loss of humanity Narducci was hinting at. I agree that Marcel has a line, which means he still has some humanity, while the Originals have far less of it. Not gonna lie, still love Elijah but he was a dick to Marcel at the end of the ep. Yep, you are right. I was also thinking that Elijah is aware of what "family above all" is doing to him and his humanity so will it be hard on him to foresee and accept what it will eventually do to others eps if they continue this "family above all" he was very cruel and there is a chance he was deliberately being cruel trying to 1) scare Marcel. 2) further alienate him from Klaus and the rest of the family.
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