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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 15, 2017 15:25:09 GMT
Is it just me, or is anyone else realizing that a major theme of this show is that bad/absent parents will cause horrible problems for generations to come. And by generations, I mean everyone that we see on this show.
Freya's bad childhood/life with Dahlia has caused her to be obsessed with the idea of a family, even going as far as throwing her morals out the window.
Keelin's dead parents probably didn't teach her about Stockholm syndrome and how to not think with your vagina. We all know why she's staying and it isn't because of her Hippocratic oath, if you get what I'm saying.
Klaus' bad parents caused him to seek love through fear and when that didn't work, he'd go crazy and murder villages. It also created a victim complex that he really needs to snap out of.
Hayley's dead parents caused her to grow up in foster care where she got obsessed with finding her family, even if it meant being ruthless. Some bad stuff happened to her, but that could have been because her family is cursed and she is only finding that out now. Why now? Because her dead parents never told her.
Cami's parents didn't teach her about Stockholm syndrome too and that caused her to get killed.
Davina's parents tried to kill her without telling her what the ritual was all about, this caused her to start killing anyone who tried to kill her and then getting shunned and shredded by the ancestors.
Elijah's bad parents made him an accomplice in abuse and he tried to change by being complicit in the abuse his brother caused others. He thinks this is normal though.
Marcel's bad parents tried to kill him, so he tried to get stronger so he could kill them only for his adoptive parent to want him dead later on in life, which caused Marcel to get even stronger so he could take them down. All he really wants it to be loved and acknowledged, but he doesn't know how.
Vincent...I don't know much about his parents, but I do know that his parents didn't teach him to stay away from some messed up dark magic.
Kol's bad parents never gave him enough attention, so he sought it out in bad ways because that was the only way that he was noticed.
Rebekah's bad parents gave her horrible daddy issues, so it seems to me that she purposely chooses men who don't love her as much as she loves them because...daddy issues.
Hmmm, I'm sure there are more, but these are the only ones that I have at the top of my head. Does anyone have anymore? Or does anyone disagree and think I'm overthinking things here lol. I'm trying to think of someone on this show that has proper relationship with their parents, but I can't think of any. I guess Hope, but she's only known her dad for like a month so...give it time I guess.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 15, 2017 16:00:14 GMT
Is it just me, or is anyone else realizing that a major theme of this show is that bad/absent parents will cause horrible problems for generations to come. And by generations, I mean everyone that we see on this show. Freya's bad childhood/life with Dahlia has caused her to be obsessed with the idea of a family, even going as far as throwing her morals out the window. Keelin's dead parents probably didn't teach her about Stockholm syndrome and how to not think with your vagina. We all know why she's staying and it isn't because of her Hippocratic oath, if you get what I'm saying. Klaus' bad parents caused him to seek love through fear and when that didn't work, he'd go crazy and murder villages. It also created a victim complex that he really needs to snap out of. Hayley's dead parents caused her to grow up in foster care where she got obsessed with finding her family, even if it meant being ruthless. Some bad stuff happened to her, but that could have been because her family is cursed and she is only finding that out now. Why now? Because her dead parents never told her. Cami's parents didn't teach her about Stockholm syndrome too and that caused her to get killed.
Davina's parents tried to kill her without telling her what the ritual was all about, this caused her to start killing anyone who tried to kill her and then getting shunned and shredded by the ancestors. Elijah's bad parents made him an accomplice in abuse and he tried to change by being complicit in the abuse his brother caused others. He thinks this is normal though. Marcel's bad parents tried to kill him, so he tried to get stronger so he could kill them only for his adoptive parent to want him dead later on in life, which caused Marcel to get even stronger so he could take them down. All he really wants it to be loved and acknowledged, but he doesn't know how. Vincent...I don't know much about his parents, but I do know that his parents didn't teach him to stay away from some messed up dark magic. Kol's bad parents never gave him enough attention, so he sought it out in bad ways because that was the only way that he was noticed. Rebekah's bad parents gave her horrible daddy issues, so it seems to me that she purposely chooses men who don't love her as much as she loves them because...daddy issues. Hmmm, I'm sure there are more, but these are the only ones that I have at the top of my head. Does anyone have anymore? Or does anyone disagree and think I'm overthinking things here lol. I'm trying to think of someone on this show that has proper relationship with their parents, but I can't think of any. I guess Hope, but she's only known her dad for like a month so...give it time I guess. First of all lol about bold part. Wasnt she is therapist? Did she need that teaching, really? Secondly Excellent post. That is the reason this show is much better that TVD. There is a bigger theme to this show than that one. It is darker, It addresses real issues and it leaves me sad coz it is too close to real life despite the fact that they are all vampires and "monsters". It is not just that they are bad coz they are monsters aka vampires, hybrids. They are bad selfish people. Period. Now, it is not just you, and this is not just the theme of this show. It is true IRL too. Of course there are exceptions but general rule of thumb is daughter's grow up to be like their mothers and sons grow up to be like their father. A child growing up watching his parens spend their time lying in front of tv will never understand that fresh air is more important than screen time. A child raised while being abused by his parent will most likely become an abuser. A child raised in an abusive environment whether be on him or between his parents will likely do that. Again of course there are exceptions. Sometimes as a severe reaction children when adult act differently. Sometimes their abusive tendencies come out unconsciously. It is also a fact that when someone has their own kid, they become more important to them than their own siblings. parents go against their own parents, their siblings to protect their kids. So unless it is contrived, I will not be surprised if Klaus is willing to kill Elijah for putting Hope in real danger. I pray that happens. Elijah with his attitude is more danger to Hope than any other. I have not yet watched the current episode but so far the theme of the show has been parent/child relationship among the big "THe Mikaelson" family deal. Mikale/Klaus, Klaus/Hope, Hayley/Hope, Klaus/Marcel. I just hope that it is not proven that genetic kids take preference over the adopted which is what is my understanding from the tweets and post I have been saying (Elijah gave some interesting talk to Marcel). I will try to reserve my judgement until I see the episode myself. |
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 17, 2017 19:31:58 GMT
First of all lol about bold part. Wasnt she is therapist? Did she need that teaching, really? Secondly Excellent post. That is the reason this show is much better that TVD. There is a bigger theme to this show than that one. It is darker, It addresses real issues and it leaves me sad coz it is too close to real life despite the fact that they are all vampires and "monsters". It is not just that they are bad coz they are monsters aka vampires, hybrids. They are bad selfish people. Period. Now, it is not just you, and this is not just the theme of this show. It is true IRL too. Of course there are exceptions but general rule of thumb is daughter's grow up to be like their mothers and sons grow up to be like their father. A child growing up watching his parens spend their time lying in front of tv will never understand that fresh air is more important than screen time. A child raised while being abused by his parent will most likely become an abuser. A child raised in an abusive environment whether be on him or between his parents will likely do that. Again of course there are exceptions. Sometimes as a severe reaction children when adult act differently. Sometimes their abusive tendencies come out unconsciously. It is also a fact that when someone has their own kid, they become more important to them than their own siblings. parents go against their own parents, their siblings to protect their kids. So unless it is contrived, I will not be surprised if Klaus is willing to kill Elijah for putting Hope in real danger. I pray that happens. Elijah with his attitude is more danger to Hope than any other. I have not yet watched the current episode but so far the theme of the show has been parent/child relationship among the big "THe Mikaelson" family deal. Mikale/Klaus, Klaus/Hope, Hayley/Hope, Klaus/Marcel. I just hope that it is not proven that genetic kids take preference over the adopted which is what is my understanding from the tweets and post I have been saying (Elijah gave some interesting talk to Marcel). I will try to reserve my judgement until I see the episode myself. Great points. Even though this is about the Mikaelson family, it really is about family in general and stopping bad cycles before they bite you in the butt. I really hope that this season addresses' Marcel's insecurities as well, because he had a family in the Mikaelsons, but once they had their own 'white' kid in Hope he was tossed to the side. His father did the same thing and his adoptive family, in Marcel's eyes, is following down the same road. It's sad when you think about it, because Marcel is an outsider in skin colour, but also through blood and Hope's birth makes that even more apparent. Klaus wants to do better with Hope, but that's only because he realizes that he did such a crap job with Marcel. He needs to articulate this point and tell Marcel that he loves him and that Marcel is family, because the only thing Marcel sees is that 'once you have your own biological kid I'm no longer needed.' I know there are people out there who hate Marcel and wants this to be the Klaus show, but this really does had some deep commentary on what exactly is family. |
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2017 20:09:14 GMT
This has nothing to do with race. Marcel was the one who separated himself from the family, all the while moaning that he wasn't an actual part of it. Remember, when the Mikaelsons fled NOLA, he never went to find them. Controlling the city was more important to him than his "family". When they returned to the city, the first thing Marcel did was recruit Davina to find a way to kill them.
And that was before Hope.
I agree that Klaus needs to find a way to articulate to Marcel that he didn't do well as a father figure. I still think that Klaus is the only one who still does consider him to be family.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 17, 2017 20:27:49 GMT
This has nothing to do with race. Marcel was the one who separated himself from the family, all the while moaning that he wasn't an actual part of it. Remember, when the Mikaelsons fled NOLA, he never went to find them. Controlling the city was more important to him than his "family". When they returned to the city, the first thing Marcel did was recruit Davina to find a way to kill them. And that was before Hope. I agree that Klaus needs to find a way to articulate to Marcel that he didn't do well as a father figure. I still think that Klaus is the only one who still does consider him to be family. It is most probably not about race but whenever minorities face such a treatment, from somewhere their insecurities come to the surface and more than often there is a truth to that which has so far been painted over by a pretty picture. |
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 17, 2017 20:33:15 GMT
First of all lol about bold part. Wasnt she is therapist? Did she need that teaching, really? Secondly Excellent post. That is the reason this show is much better that TVD. There is a bigger theme to this show than that one. It is darker, It addresses real issues and it leaves me sad coz it is too close to real life despite the fact that they are all vampires and "monsters". It is not just that they are bad coz they are monsters aka vampires, hybrids. They are bad selfish people. Period. Now, it is not just you, and this is not just the theme of this show. It is true IRL too. Of course there are exceptions but general rule of thumb is daughter's grow up to be like their mothers and sons grow up to be like their father. A child growing up watching his parens spend their time lying in front of tv will never understand that fresh air is more important than screen time. A child raised while being abused by his parent will most likely become an abuser. A child raised in an abusive environment whether be on him or between his parents will likely do that. Again of course there are exceptions. Sometimes as a severe reaction children when adult act differently. Sometimes their abusive tendencies come out unconsciously. It is also a fact that when someone has their own kid, they become more important to them than their own siblings. parents go against their own parents, their siblings to protect their kids. So unless it is contrived, I will not be surprised if Klaus is willing to kill Elijah for putting Hope in real danger. I pray that happens. Elijah with his attitude is more danger to Hope than any other. I have not yet watched the current episode but so far the theme of the show has been parent/child relationship among the big "THe Mikaelson" family deal. Mikale/Klaus, Klaus/Hope, Hayley/Hope, Klaus/Marcel. I just hope that it is not proven that genetic kids take preference over the adopted which is what is my understanding from the tweets and post I have been saying (Elijah gave some interesting talk to Marcel). I will try to reserve my judgement until I see the episode myself. Great points. Even though this is about the Mikaelson family, it really is about family in general and stopping bad cycles before they bite you in the butt. I really hope that this season addresses' Marcel's insecurities as well, because he had a family in the Mikaelsons, but once they had their own 'white' kid in Hope he was tossed to the side. His father did the same thing and his adoptive family, in Marcel's eyes, is following down the same road. It's sad when you think about it, because Marcel is an outsider in skin colour, but also through blood and Hope's birth makes that even more apparent. Klaus wants to do better with Hope, but that's only because he realizes that he did such a crap job with Marcel. H e needs to articulate this point and tell Marcel that he loves him and that Marcel is family, because the only thing Marcel sees is that 'once you have your own biological kid I'm no longer needed.'I know there are people out there who hate Marcel and wants this to be the Klaus show, but this really does had some deep commentary on what exactly is family. Especially after Elijah's wonder eye opening speech Marcel needs to hear that he is not just a random person KLaus adopted to make himsef feel better. he was someone important to KLaus and still is. Marcel has insecurities, a lot of them. He has hand experience that this family only cares for the people who are related to them by blood and since he is not he feels insecure about his position in the family. I am not sure if he truly sees Mikaelson as racist but he is of a different race and he was treated very badly when he was a child. He was slave, right? So yeah there is a small chance that i can see him seeing Elijah's new treatment as racist too. All minorities when they face a "different" treatment tend to protect on their insecurities whether they are aware of them existing or not. |
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 17, 2017 20:41:51 GMT
This has nothing to do with race. Marcel was the one who separated himself from the family, all the while moaning that he wasn't an actual part of it. Remember, when the Mikaelsons fled NOLA, he never went to find them. Controlling the city was more important to him than his "family". When they returned to the city, the first thing Marcel did was recruit Davina to find a way to kill them. And that was before Hope. I agree that Klaus needs to find a way to articulate to Marcel that he didn't do well as a father figure. I still think that Klaus is the only one who still does consider him to be family. Marcel was a slave and a child of a mom who was probably raped by her white master. Even if the Mikaelsons don't feel like race is important in this, there was a reason why the powers to be made Marcel black and had his past mention slavery. He sought freedom in people he believed to be his family, but they ended up just like his father who hated him for being an outsider. Add on the fact that Elijah basically told him that he's no longer needed now that Klaus has Hope, his biological child, it adds on more insecurities that Marcel may have about family and where he belongs in life. |
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2017 21:37:14 GMT
I should have clarified that I meant it wasn't about race as far as the Originals were concerned. They've never (to my memory, anyway) said or done anything to infer he was inferior due to race. Marcel himself may have issues that tie in to his race, though. Sorry if I wasn't clear.
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 17, 2017 21:46:17 GMT
I should have clarified that I meant it wasn't about race as far as the Originals were concerned. They've never (to my memory, anyway) said or done anything to infer he was inferior due to race. Marcel himself may have issues that tie in to his race, though. Sorry if I wasn't clear. No worries.  I'm probably reading into things a bit too much though, but this theme of being an outsider not only by blood by race is a big one for Marcel and something I hope the show addresses a bit. |
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