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Post by Allison on Jul 26, 2018 12:35:12 GMT
The Originals- 5.13 'When The Saints Go Marching In' and Series Finale Discussion Thread
ALWAYS AND FOREVER — Intent on saving Hope's life, Klaus' plan will change the lives of the Mikaelson family forever.
I'd like to thank everybody for staying together until the show has ended. I don't always agree with the general opinion and I think Julie Plec and Michael Narducci made something incredibly special out of the show, I've been rewatching the first season of The Vampire Diaries and it reminded me where Kevin Williamson's weaknesses were, and that many of the best traits and turns we fell in love with while loving the Original family were Julie Plec. That said, Legacies may not be something I'm interested in- depending on what they do with it and how involved the CW is. This season was stretched out far past what it needed and in the event that the show is every bit the successor it has the responsibility of being, the CW's brand and the network might see it gone within a season. I'll do up a sub board for it but this was to keep The Originals IMDB refugees together until the show ended.
I don't want Klaus to die- I would love, more than anything for him to reconcile with Mikael because he is Klaus's father but I want to see him be there, even if in mere snapshots with Hope but I don't want Elijah to die either and it feels like we are about to lose somebody... I've said it but I don't think we were ever meant to end on just the Hollow being separated- I think ultimately, it was meant to turn into a permanent threat on the youngest Mikaelson's life. Hayley's scenes last season- I think she was (save the fact they didn't have the time) originally going to die at the hands of the Hollow... Danielle's starting to show she can handle her character well... well, one more week and then The Originals has officially finished.
Thanks again- you know, there's an irony Hayley and I share the same real first name considering I'm not terribly fond of it- daggers await anyone who calls me Andrea. I think I did love in the past episode, despite peace being a blissful place- Hayley fought that Hope needed a long life and whatever sacrifice is made, it is a sacrifice. The Vampire Diaries was a little too 'death is the ultimate happy ending' for my tastes.
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Post by AJ on Jul 26, 2018 21:26:23 GMT
Thanks to all for keeping the discussion alive as this show winds down!
I wish we'd gotten more - there was/is still a lot that could be done, avenues that weren't explored. I'm not following over to Legacies, none of the previews I've seen have remotely caught my interest. However, I'll still pop in here sometimes to keep in touch, if you all are gonna stick around.
Finale predictions: Elijah will die, because I'm always wrong. I remember being furious at the whole Lucien thing, but it's been a steady thing for me to be wrong in predictions. So I'm guessing against my own hope. Elijah will die and get a happy-ever-after with Hayley (and poor Jackson will have to suck it and watch, his happy ever after is about to suck). Klaus will live but be away because Legacies doesn't look like it will have much adult supervision. Freya may or may not die. If she doesn't, then maybe she and Keelin will start planning a family. Bex will meet someone. Marcel will continue in NOLA. Kol and Davina will get 3 seconds of thread-tying. Declan will be nowhere to be found.
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 27, 2018 0:19:43 GMT
Final predictions:
Klaroline gets an open-ended endgame.
Elijah dies.
Freya and Keelin live, but one will be in mortal danger before the end.
Hope gives some inspiring speech about "always and forever."
Kol and Davina live happily ever after.
Marcel gets NOLA, but loses Rebekah.
Vincent leaves NOLA.
Declan...maybe a scene showing him taking over the Human faction? Or discovering the closet? And honestly, I'm gonna be pissed if they waste one more second of screen time to this character. What is his purpose?! Other to show that, oh, yeah, he's another hot guy madly in love with Hayley Marshall. And he's important to Hope since she's always having to save his ass.
What I wish would happen:
Kol and Davina can go live happily ever after off-screen. IDGAF about either of them.
Elijah, Klaus, and Rebekah survive - Always and Forever.
Freya dies, sacrificing herself for her siblings and Hope.
Marcel either sacrifices himself for Hope or NOLA and dies or loses his enhanced abilities. If he lives, he gets NOLA, but loses Rebekah.
Rebekah takes off to find herself, to discover who she really is without her brothers around.
Vincent takes off and leaves NOLA.
Klaroline endgame.
Open endgame for Elijah and Antoinette.
How sad is this? I'm rereading this and realizing I don't give a single care about characters they tried so hard to make us love/root for: Marcel, Vincent, Keelin, Freya, Davina. I should care about them and I don't.
Also, I'm calling it now: if another brother dies, then RIP to one of the Saltzman twins if Legacies is a success. 
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 27, 2018 1:29:29 GMT
I don't know if I'll return once TO is completed. If you want to keep in touch, you can follow me on Twitter: @fangirlreveries
I mostly talk about other TV shows. A few political things (Resist). Mostly TV shows.
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Post by AJ on Jul 27, 2018 1:34:11 GMT
Followed. I'm @loserhandle, but I hardly ever post, I just use it to follow news on favorites (politics, anime, tv).
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 28, 2018 15:34:03 GMT
I think I figured it out...THEORY below:
So the closer we get to the end, the more scared I get that JP & Co. have been trolling us this entire season. It's so freaking obvious at this point that it'll be Elijah to die. So obvious, I'm starting to get scared it's a red herring and that it really will be Klaus to die. Klaroline is closer than ever, but this entire season, all their scenes have been Caroline coming to peace with her past with Klaus. Klaus dies knowing that Caroline doesn't regret their time together. That she thinks he's worthy. That she thinks he's a good father and a good man. I'm afraid that those scenes of them together in NOLA are a dream or that as Klaus lies dying, Caroline is able to enter his mind and give him a good last memory.
Then I thought, what could be worse than that? And I figured it out.
Klaus sacrificing his life for his daughter? Pftttt - big deal. What parent wouldn't? It's been done. Klaus would die happily and readily and without a fuss.
But is that really a sacrifice? So what would be a sacrifice for Klaus?
What was the point of introducing Nazi Vampires this late in the game? To kill off Hayley? Nah - that was the result. But the point of introducing them was so they could introduce the idea of being able to bind a hybrid's wolf side. The Nazi Vampires are done, but that idea is still there.
The Hollow isn't going to just allow Klaus to kill himself. She's too powerful - unless they nerf her too, but I don't think they will. So the Hollow will reside in Klaus and they'll find some temporary solution that allows Klaus to control his/her darker impulses. But it'll eventually fail. And then they'll finally figure it out:
They can lock away the Hollow inside Klaus, but only if they bind his wolf side. The one thing he's wanted more than anything for the past 1,000 years - and he has to give it up so he can keep Hope safe.
Klaus will live - but he reverts to being an Original Vampire. Hope will be safe - but he has to stay away from her because the Hollow still reaches out for her or some such nonsense that'll explain his absence from Legacies.
That's my theory - for today, at least.
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Post by Sunset View on Jul 28, 2018 22:07:13 GMT
My predictions:
-Klaus really is going to die. Elijah as well.
-The rest of the family will watch over Hope.
-Klaus/Caroline will not be the endgame. I hate those two together. Let me get a barf bag!
I think the writers wanted to close that chapter and bate those fans at the same time.
-Klaus/Cami will see each other again. I don't know how it will go down.
After TO is over, I'm not watching anything else JP has a hand in.
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Post by Allison on Jul 28, 2018 23:57:35 GMT
The way people feel about Julie Plec, I feel about Kevin Williamson. I think he's a hack and I wish he hadn't been involved in the final season of TVD. The Following was a show I was incredibly excited for but it turned into after the usual hit to collapse in on itself. It was terrible and what he did in Season Eight wasn't just bring his 'style' back in but regressed the show in other ways. I will never touch a series done by him again. I mean, outside of TVD, Julie has done The Originals and The Tomorrow People- the latter of which happens to be my sorest cancellation by the CW. I think I figured it out...THEORY below:
So the closer we get to the end, the more scared I get that JP & Co. have been trolling us this entire season. It's so freaking obvious at this point that it'll be Elijah to die. So obvious, I'm starting to get scared it's a red herring and that it really will be Klaus to die. Klaroline is closer than ever, but this entire season, all their scenes have been Caroline coming to peace with her past with Klaus. Klaus dies knowing that Caroline doesn't regret their time together. That she thinks he's worthy. That she thinks he's a good father and a good man. I'm afraid that those scenes of them together in NOLA are a dream or that as Klaus lies dying, Caroline is able to enter his mind and give him a good last memory.
Then I thought, what could be worse than that? And I figured it out.
Klaus sacrificing his life for his daughter? Pftttt - big deal. What parent wouldn't? It's been done. Klaus would die happily and readily and without a fuss.
But is that really a sacrifice? So what would be a sacrifice for Klaus?
What was the point of introducing Nazi Vampires this late in the game? To kill off Hayley? Nah - that was the result. But the point of introducing them was so they could introduce the idea of being able to bind a hybrid's wolf side. The Nazi Vampires are done, but that idea is still there.
The Hollow isn't going to just allow Klaus to kill himself. She's too powerful - unless they nerf her too, but I don't think they will. So the Hollow will reside in Klaus and they'll find some temporary solution that allows Klaus to control his/her darker impulses. But it'll eventually fail. And then they'll finally figure it out:
They can lock away the Hollow inside Klaus, but only if they bind his wolf side. The one thing he's wanted more than anything for the past 1,000 years - and he has to give it up so he can keep Hope safe.
Klaus will live - but he reverts to being an Original Vampire. Hope will be safe - but he has to stay away from her because the Hollow still reaches out for her or some such nonsense that'll explain his absence from Legacies.
That's my theory - for today, at least.
That would be amazing- I really like that idea because it is the ultimate sacrifice and has him putting family above all irrevocably- especially with how his obsession with hybrids and not being alone involved one of the worst moments he had with Rebekah across the two shows, he was focusing on his werewolf side to the exclusion of family who loved him and meant he wasn't alone. Not sure about the Hollow part and away from Hope but I hope to frell you're right- if only so I can watch this in the future and not be so angry with Klaus every time. I'm at a point where I could accept him and Caroline, but if they happen- I'm staying the hell off the comments section. I don't think anything should be done/not done because of a ship but that toxic element of the Klaroline fandom will take it and spin it up in their stupid logic. |
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Post by daydreamer on Jul 29, 2018 20:31:54 GMT
New spoilers - IDK how reliable. Supposedly it's from the same person who has been 100% correct all along. But I also remember this person saying Klaroline fans would be happy with the ending. So IDK. But these new "spoilers" have the entire fandom in a total meltdown on Twitter right now. I won't post. I'm going to post it in our "Spoiler" thread.
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Post by tissuepaper on Jul 29, 2018 21:03:45 GMT
Thanks again for starting this forum for all of us who were in imdb. It's been a fun five years with everyone.  I really do hope we get a Khayley scene. Not a romantic one, of course, but something to bring their story full circle. I'd actually be happy if Klaus dies for this reason. Frankly, if he doesn't die then he's only going to look like a deadbeat dad during Legacies. Hopefully, Elijah doesn't die. He's lost other great loves, so Hayley shouldn't be no different. Plus, if he dies then poor Jackson will be at peace in a non peaceful setting. They can lock away the Hollow inside Klaus, but only if they bind his wolf side. The one thing he's wanted more than anything for the past 1,000 years - and he has to give it up so he can keep Hope safe. The problem with this is that they already did this to Hayley, so doing it again might seem like overkill. |
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Post by tissuepaper on Aug 1, 2018 23:10:59 GMT
Only a couple of hours left.
So...has anyone checked out spoilers for the episode?
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Post by AJ on Aug 1, 2018 23:40:47 GMT
Been on Twitter off and on and seen a couple things. We've been discussing spoilers in the subforum for it, if you wanna check it out. I think the prevailing feeling among TO watchers is disgust at what will probably happen.
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Post by daydreamer on Aug 2, 2018 2:50:18 GMT
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
And not in a good way.
They really did have the Mikaelsons give up and let them die.
I'll never forgive JP for ruining these iconic characters, or this dumpster fire of a finale/final season.
It could have been so much more and it was ruined.
I'll be back later (tomorrow) to chat. But right now, I'm numb.
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Post by AJ on Aug 2, 2018 3:03:53 GMT
I'll never watch another show Plec had a hand in.
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Post by Madamimadam on Aug 2, 2018 3:04:57 GMT
Wow.
Wow.
Wow.
And not in a good way.
They really did have the Mikaelsons give up and let them die.
I'll never forgive JP for ruining these iconic characters, or this dumpster fire of a finale/final season.
It could have been so much more and it was ruined.
I'll be back later (tomorrow) to chat. But right now, I'm numb.
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