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Post by Allison on May 14, 2018 3:02:18 GMT
The Originals- 5.05 'Don't It Just Break Your Heart' Discussion Thread
FLASHBACKS TO 1930's GERMANY — A mysterious clue sent to Klaus leads him one step closer to finding Hayley. Antoinette opens up to Elijah after her past comes back to haunt her. Meanwhile, Marcel makes a decision that puts him at odds with Klaus. Finally, Hope takes matters into her own hands to fix the mess that she's created.
1930s I like the sound of- there's more subtlety usually afforded than when World War II is explored in flashbacks. More of Antoinette and of no memories/knowledge without context Elijah is definitely exciting that with her, we're likelier to have it connected to her family herself which has been the benefit of all characters sans Cami, whose family notes post first season added no depth to her character... poor Klaus, he often puts people in situations where they are at odds with him and with Marcel and Hope- it's harder. Actually, I like what they've done as it emphasizes both as his children than Marcellus as a 'test run/past mistakes tragedy' which his character easily could have devolved to.
And speaking of Hope...I wonder if we'll see Esther and Dahlia this season since with the magic they'd be just as intrinsically tied to her as Freya and the other witches- as long as they are on the side of our mains... especially Esther because I always hoped that it was about accepting her children just as much as absolving her past sins with her sister rather than her selfishness.
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Post by Daydreamer47 on May 17, 2018 15:03:13 GMT
Was it so bad no one is talking about it?
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Post by Daydreamer47 on May 17, 2018 15:48:16 GMT
Hmm...so the big bad hates hybrids & wants to bind Hope's Wolf side using the same spell as Esther used to bind Klaus'.
1. Why wouldn't this group also want to bind Klaus' wolf side?
2. Why aren't they going after Marcel?
I didn't think Marcel was going to die, but...I'm thinking he gets in the way of the spell/curse and is returned to a normal vampire & possibly dies.
I'm going to be extraordinary pissed if Klaus sacrifices his wolf side so Hope gets to keep hers, but I also have a feeling that's where their going. And that's why Klaus looks sad in those Klaroline pics in Nola.
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Post by daydreamer on May 17, 2018 19:15:32 GMT
Are they going to conveniently forget a large portion of the mythology here? Esther used the last of Tatia's blood to bind Klaus' wolf side. Does this crowd have a vial of doppelganger blood on hand? Is Elena missing and no one's noticed? And to be honest, I'm not 100% convinced that Elena's blood would work anymore - not with the cure coursing through her.
And where does Freya get off having Hope make this decision?! She's 14-15 years old with no real knowledge of how this binding will affect her.
OMG, this show....just let it end.
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Post by AJ on May 17, 2018 20:20:40 GMT
Was it so bad no one is talking about it? Pretty much. I feel like they're ignoring their own mythology and glossing over other things, like the fact that Klaus can also create hybrids (just not as easily as Hope, probably). If Marcel were to turn someone now, would he be creating an army of monsters capable of wiping out Originals? But no, let's pick on the kid, shall we? And because Plec just can't let us have nice things, of course Antoinette and Roman are related to the snippy vamp who of course is the mastermind. This show is too predictable. Also, Nazi effing vampires. I feel the same now that I did back when I realized Lucien was going to get that magic elixir and become all-powerful. It had been speculated on the IMDB board for a while and I didn't believe it. Calling it now: next episode Greta will hold Hope and Hayley hostage and tell Klaus to pick one. Hayley dies so Hope can live, the Hollow takes over Hope because Klaus can't follow directions, and 'Hope' becomes the nightmare the witches have been predicting. I know I've said it before, but I'm just so bitterly disappointed by this show. They took a premise we'd all been longing for and basically just shit on it. |
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Post by Allison on May 18, 2018 0:50:39 GMT
I've been dealing with my own personal stuff which is stressing me out like crazy... the Nazi component was okay but I felt like it needed more work whereas linking the past with Klaus and what happened to that side of him. The curse on Klaus, especially what was set up in the third season on TVD and the toll it took on him and how alone he felt- that element with Hope was my damned favourite and I liked the fact Josh got bit in the ass for his little moralizing. Josh is ticking me off this season like crazy- Hope is no different to Davina in that she did nothing to deserve being hated except being different and the fact the stupid boy Roman whom I'd like to burn in daylight. Him I hate on basic 'I'm so fucking sick of characters trusting their crush and getting screwed' trope use.
Randomly inserted characters with no bindings except for 'love interests' are why I would have an issue were Antoinette and Roman not linked back. That Antoinette is running from her family/has issues puts up a nice symmetry between her and Elijah and gives them more in common when he regains his memories.
Klaus CAN NOT make hybrids without an Amara doppelganger and even if nature was still producing them after the death of the original Amara, they have at least a two hundred year gap and Elena is probably useless because of the Cure altering her blood's magical properties. Also, Hayley is born of the original bloodline that turned which might be the only reason Hope was able to be conceived (an unknown since Monique was a psychotic little zealot) and she and Hope are the last of the Labonairs which might tie into why they would kill Hayley anyway. Klaus can't make kids with his daughter and they might be worried about some magical loophole- never mind Klaus and Hayley have no interest in spawning anew. Hope doesn't need Elena's blood as a binding agent- she's alive so I'm guessing her same ability to make hybrids independently would work against her when it comes to binding that ability- that or they'll have a convenient 'we borrowed Elena Gilbert's blood from when she was discovered'.
Marcel should only be able to make vampires since it's all Klaus can make with his curse lifted directly.
I'm upset Roswell is being held till mid season and that the CW shafted Supergirl (my non-guilty cheesy pleasure) to Sunday and not Arrow. I watched the Charmed reboot trailer and how the hell do they make Charmed cheesier but without the lovable charm to it and most of the people in that trailer couldn't act to save their lives. It reminds me that for Legacies to get a fall premiere, it might be so tainted by the CW that it's unwatchable which damn well upsets me. I like The Vampire Diaries, I love The Originals and I'm over the CW and network television as a whole. Did I mention I HATED what they've done with Charmed- and this is from the woman who loved the final season and this is the network that cut their costs of this epic success in its last season and like The Originals, minimized cast costs involuntarily (I think some of the cast actually took a pay cut to get Brain Krause in more episodes). I think that's definitely the case at the moment where they are saving the most money for the cast and storylines with The Originals for the climax of the season and they are holding back in places they'd have someone or something just because the episode budget has hit critical. The writing and acting was fine for the most part, but you can definitely see the budget strain and it makes me hate the CW all the more when I see their current line up and some of the garbage they have planned. It's hard to talk about the episodes without bringing the underlying budget issues which are affecting the cast and production values and it makes me wonder what might be in these episodes if they had the money to not just save it for the end.
I think whatever Hope will do will be of her own choice- and having part of yourself taken away- the number it did on her father was horrific and to have your mother murdered regardless? It'd make most sane people nightmare fuel.
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Post by daydreamer on May 18, 2018 1:02:53 GMT
I'm starting to wonder if the Hollow will interfere with the Nazi's plans. The Hollow wants Hope as is and doesn't have an issue with her being part wolf. It's kind of the whole point of the Hollow and the last of the Labonaires, right?
Maybe they do try to bind Hope, but the Hollow interferes somehow. With Klaus being so close to Hope (not like he's gonna leave her if Hope is in mortal peril just because the Hollow is making plants die/snakes come out of her mouth), maybe that portion jumps into Hope...maybe other portions start to jump as well. But Hope is older now and able to control it...? So Hope will then have: vampire blood. Werewolf gene. Ability to sire hybrids. First-born Mikaelson witch. Plus the Hollow's power. Good grief. Like mother, like daughter with all that special.
I'm just trying to think of a reason why they haven't tied up the Hollow storyline yet. I think it's because the Hollow is gonna inadvertently save the day. Or maybe that's the kicker. The Hollow takes over Hope; she can't fight it and Inadu (sp?) goes back to MF. Okay, probably not that.
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Post by AJ on May 18, 2018 1:49:40 GMT
What even is the point of Josh anymore? He hasn't been relevant since Aiden died.
I feel like TO is taking on more than it can handle. We have 8 episodes left to wrap up the Nazi Vampire arc and get a final resolution to the Hollow - unless they intend to just not do anything and the family is physically separated forever.
Do we know for sure that Elena taking the cure eliminates her usefulness as a doppelganger? I suppose that doesn't matter since we've no indication Nina will appear in any capacity.
Ugh. I watched the Charmed trailer and I'll just say this: after Supernatural and TO wrap, I'm done with the CW. It doesn't look appealing at all. Supernatural hasn't been interesting this season, TO is mind-boggling and I'm just done.
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Post by Allison on May 18, 2018 4:35:27 GMT
The Originals 5x05 "Don't It Just Break Your Heart had 0.3/1 in the 18-49 demo and 0.80M overall viewers. What even is the point of Josh anymore? He hasn't been relevant since Aiden died. I feel like TO is taking on more than it can handle. We have 8 episodes left to wrap up the Nazi Vampire arc and get a final resolution to the Hollow - unless they intend to just not do anything and the family is physically separated forever. Do we know for sure that Elena taking the cure eliminates her usefulness as a doppelganger? I suppose that doesn't matter since we've no indication Nina will appear in any capacity. Ugh. I watched the Charmed trailer and I'll just say this: after Supernatural and TO wrap, I'm done with the CW. It doesn't look appealing at all. Supernatural hasn't been interesting this season, TO is mind-boggling and I'm just done. The Originals might have been better served with fewer episodes but the CW probably mandated a thirteen episode order- internationally, the show is in syndication and worth more for extra episodes. Josh's relevance was tied to Davina and Cami, without those characters... I'd have killed him off and put the money towards the budget- Julie was honestly right when she wanted to kill him off originally and I think there are a few writers in the room who aren't focused on the story so much as their personal pet favourites. The problem with the cure is that the Traveller magic of the cure stops the ability to become a vampire again as seen by Katherine- hybrids are usually dead and in transition so as Elena can't become a vampire again, it's unlikely a hybrid could complete it. The actress who plays the long lost sister, Madeleine Mantock- is the only one who could act in that entire trailer. The Charmed trailer is horrific, there's no nice way to say that they've absolutely picked the worst way to upset an entire fandom- tragedy is they could probably rerun the original Charmed for higher ratings if this goes over as badly as it looks and I'm glad they didn't get The Chilling Adventures of Sabrina and I'm dreading what might be done to Legacies- what fucks me off there is that Pedowitz in this article www.washingtonpost.com/news/arts-and-entertainment/wp/2018/05/17/cw-explains-surprising-decision-to-pass-on-supernatural-spin-off-wayward-sisters/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.2ce6ba41532d basically put fuel on the fire over the passed Supernatural spinoff- again, upsetting viewers and making me really worried about what Legacies will look like for the freakshow that is the CW. Supernatural...I'm tossing up whether to watch the season finale because I alwys do that to myself, they do some good things and then it's just so stagnated. At least there's Netflix. |
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Post by AJ on May 18, 2018 7:12:48 GMT
I haven't kept up with Supernatural for about 2 months now. Just read the recap and yeah, I'm out. CW loses me as a viewer once TO is done.
I just don't get where they plan to go with Legacies. Wayward Sisters had a better setup.
The Charmed reboot seems to have taken a lot of elements from the original - Mom is a witch but her daughters don't know, dies and daughters receive powers; one of them was adopted out; they live in a nice Victorian house. I didn't see the same cutesy rhymes the Halliwell sisters made up as spells, there was actual Latin. The guide reminded me more of Giles from Buffy than Leo, though.
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Post by Allison on May 18, 2018 10:10:40 GMT
I haven't kept up with Supernatural for about 2 months now. Just read the recap and yeah, I'm out. CW loses me as a viewer once TO is done. I just don't get where they plan to go with Legacies. Wayward Sisters had a better setup. The Charmed reboot seems to have taken a lot of elements from the original - Mom is a witch but her daughters don't know, dies and daughters receive powers; one of them was adopted out; they live in a nice Victorian house. I didn't see the same cutesy rhymes the Halliwell sisters made up as spells, there was actual Latin. The guide reminded me more of Giles from Buffy than Leo, though. It's a question though isn't it? What's better- a shorter run like The Originals, neglected by the network with budget cuts hampering production into a final season where they have to make every dollar count or being the network staple where no matter how stagnant and re-tread every season has to be with Supernatural where it'll only end when the actors call time (don't blame Jensen and Jared, a steady fun paycheck they can ask for more with and work alongside people they like) and even then, it's likely to get an attempt at a soft new cast under the same name, i.e. Scrubs season nine? (I don't count Once Upon a Time's final season as there's too many of the original cast and story despite the new setting and they're all coming back to close it up as though Season Seven was an epilogue.) Charmed mentor guy is no Leo and not Giles- Giles was an amazingly complex character and one of the better ones in Buffy- whereas whoever this dude is, he was the worst actor which was saying something next to the actresses playing the sisters who grew up together since they're all worse than anyone in my... your version of AP drama class in my last two years (your junior/senior) of high school. The cutesy rhymes were fun and the truly serious moments were made to shine by Shannen, Rose, Alyssa and Holly despite it being Charmed and in all English, mostly. Latin is often used to add atmosphere or in television and film, it's another prop. I don't think they rejected Wayward Sisters for Legacies. I think new Charmed is facing a backlash, rightly so and it'd be worse if it came out that it was picked up at the expense of Wayward Sisters. Where Legacies is about the hand you've been dealt by lineage and circumstance and what you make of it- whether living up or down your legacy- Charmed and Wayward Sisters were both about family- blood/self-made and about good versus evil, destroying things that threaten ordinary people. They were too thematically similar so a judgement call was probably made, wrong one mind you since a 'no signal' is better than new Charmed and Pedowitz is showing why is lucky every day he came after Dawn Ostroff (hard to screw up as much as her) rather than saying they only wanted the right mix when they launch a Supernatural spinoff- he threw the Supernatural writers who came up with Wayward Sisters (as in they were creatively lacking despite Wayward Sisters being a great chance for new stories in the same universe) and Legacies under a bus to cover for the pickup choice he and those he works for made. |
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