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Post by daydreamer on Apr 26, 2018 23:06:07 GMT
I thought Hayley was the third love. Dude seems to be rather reluctant to be in a real relationship, probably because Klaus kills them. I agree though, he'll move on. I don't think he'll be dead by the end of the season. He may or may not find another, but I don't think that is or has ever been of high importance to him. Family is always first. I remember having this debate on IMDb. It was never made clear. My best guess is: Tatia X Celeste And now Hayley. I always thought X was Katerina (human), but that's only because of the scenes we had between them. They never stated for certain though, who X is. It could be this new chic. Supposedly she's from Elijah's past. And you're right. That was the whole reason Hayley married Jackson. Elijah couldn't/wouldn't tell her how he felt; he was reluctant (scared) the entire time in the beginning. And I also agree that love was never a high priority. He was open to it, but he didn't actively seek it out. As long as Elijah has his family, he'll be fine.
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Post by daydreamer on Apr 26, 2018 23:13:08 GMT
I go back and forth on Hope. On one hand, I understand the angst; on the other - I'm really, really tired of teen angst on this show. Honestly, I'm trying not to judge because I'm just going by live tweets and recaps. I will say from what I've seen (clips, previews) and heard (live tweets, recaps), I don't think that Hope can carry her own show. Granted, it's only been two episodes. I've always had my doubts about the spin-off, now I'm a little more certain it won't happen. In addition - I don't think viewers care about Hope as her own person. They care because she's a Mikaelson. They care about her and her interactions with her family - who are definitely NOT going to be a part of the spinoff, except for the maybe occassional appearance by Rebekah. I say Rebekah because Claire Holt has proven she's willing to guest star. This season will be interesting because they're going to juggle making Hope her own person (her MF scenes) and finishing the story of NOLA and the Hollow. Yeah. She's Hayley's daughter. She's Klaus' daughter. She's 15. She's a Mikaelson. She's ruled by her normal emotions and her heightened wolf and vampire emotions. I think she's really hurt by Klaus' abandonment. I know that's the story they're going for. But, yes. She's also coming off as selfish and not a good strategic planner. And as for the "she's smart - too smart - like her father" bit - I haven't seen anything from her indicating that's she smart. Right now, she's just a tempermental teenager.
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Post by daydreamer on Apr 26, 2018 23:27:02 GMT
I'm disappointed the writers went in this direction. I was hoping to see Klaus grow. To let go of the past and his angst. To finally be free of his daddy issues. But the moment things got difficult, he fell right back into his old ways. Pushing her away. Telling himself that she's better off without him - and believing that. Not willing to step up, to man up and have a difficult conversation with his child. The whole point of this show was for Klaus to have some sort of redemption. But they keep doing one step forward, 10 steps back. Since it's the final season, his redemption will come, but packaged in a tidy little bow. It'll be too quick with no real development, IMO. But we'll see. I think she's so powerful, the necklace wouldn't be able to contain her emotions. Not only that, but I don't think Klaus would ever do that to her. Being emotional, going through those growing pains - make a person who they are. The necklace dampens their emotions - every emotion, not just anger. With the necklace, you're not free to be yourself. I don't think Klaus or Hayley would want that for her. My understanding is that 5x03 is a huge Elijah-centric episode, detailing his past 7 years. And looks like a flashback to the 1950s with Klaus. I'm interested to see if they do a better job with Elijah & introducing his new lady love than they did with Stefan and his new lady love on TVD (after Damon died and Stefan left MF to start a new life). Calling it: Vincent's going to end up a patient at the Dowager Fauline Cottage (the insane asylum for witches).
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Post by daydreamer on Apr 26, 2018 23:36:07 GMT
Preach. They never got it right on this show. They were so desperate for an epic ship to rival Delena and Klaroline; and they failed spectacularly IMO.
Kol and Davina just remind of two incredibly spoiled brats who ran away from home.
Elijah and Hayley - just no. Awkward and stilted from beginning to end.
Klaus and Cami - Just didn't speak to me.
Rebekah and Marcel - just stop. Please, I'm begging you, stop. I hate this pairing. I've hated it since S1. I've always seen Marcel as somone who will always put power above love. Even when he chooses love, he's still sneaking around, checking in on "his" city, calling the shots from NYC. Klaus was right: he is not the one for her.
Freya and Keelin - probably the ship I can tolerate the best, but even so, I don't think they're epic.
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Post by Allison on Apr 27, 2018 0:25:16 GMT
Not on this show....never on this show. I really wish the writers would just let them be apart since their relationship was toxic. Both put the other on a pedestal and never looked deeper than they wanted. Hayley made the right chose to break things off, but if they have them come back together without working out their issues, then what's the point? The human seems to make Hayley and Hope happy and Elijah has a vamp chick he's into. They can still care for one another, but be apart. ...I'm super bias though, because the Originals with no romance is my kind of the Originals. I'm with you there on The Originals, sans romance.Romance in this show is just side dressing which I like, it's not meant to be the main bulk of the story which is why it's less riveting than the family. The episode was good but the parts with Henry bored me... I know I'm meant to feel sorry for him but I don't. I loved the Hope and Marcel hug and how fiercely protective Marcel is over Hope- see I don't ship, I love my sibling moments and every big brother Marcel and little sister Hope moment is perfection.. Hope is Klaus and Hayley's daughter- where in that she was ever going to end up as a sweet, passive teenage girl who doesn't act first was never on the cards- I'd rather selfish and flawed than some Bella Swan vapid empty shell. I loved Elena on The Vampire Diaries but half the reason people had issues with her becoming more fleshed out was they played her too safe to trope near the beginning, she wasn't hollow but not the Elena Gilbert we got S3-S6 which was closer to her book counterpart which is why I get upset with people who missed early seasons Elena. Give me female characters who are flawed over ones who have to act a certain way...and like everybody else, I can't see her carrying a show. Her actress is decent but there's no story there for Hope yet and I'd prefer to never watch the CW again honestly. Their childish antics over The Originals not being garbage teen material has me not even wanting Roswell to get a series pickup and I want that show, I just can't stand the way that the network is run.
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Post by Allison on Apr 27, 2018 0:34:49 GMT
tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/wednesday-final-ratings-april-25-2018/The Originals, 5.02 "Wrong Turn on Bourbon" scored in final ratings a 0.4/2 in 18-49 viewers and 1.03M total, matching last week and rising in absolute viewers and .12 difference between it and Riverdale which it's matching. I'll finish up with my immaturity talking but what I'd do to witness Pedowitz's salt on this- it makes him rightly look like the idiot who sabotaged a hit show which has kindly graced him with decent numbers for its final season to help Wednesday out... it hurts to think of the potential numbers had the show not had five timeslots in five years but our show has well and truly shown it's a powerhouse and deserved every renewal.
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 27, 2018 0:51:53 GMT
Calling it: Vincent's going to end up a patient at the Dowager Fauline Cottage (the insane asylum for witches). Now that is a spinoff that I'd love to see! Not on this show....never on this show. I really wish the writers would just let them be apart since their relationship was toxic. Both put the other on a pedestal and never looked deeper than they wanted. Hayley made the right chose to break things off, but if they have them come back together without working out their issues, then what's the point? The human seems to make Hayley and Hope happy and Elijah has a vamp chick he's into. They can still care for one another, but be apart. ...I'm super bias though, because the Originals with no romance is my kind of the Originals. I'm with you there on The Originals, sans romance.Romance in this show is just side dressing which I like, it's not meant to be the main bulk of the story which is why it's less riveting than the family. The episode was good but the parts with Henry bored me... I know I'm meant to feel sorry for him but I don't. I loved the Hope and Marcel hug and how fiercely protective Marcel is over Hope- see I don't ship, I love my sibling moments and every big brother Marcel and little sister Hope moment is perfection.. Hope is Klaus and Hayley's daughter- where in that she was ever going to end up as a sweet, passive teenage girl who doesn't act first was never on the cards- I'd rather selfish and flawed than some Bella Swan vapid empty shell. I loved Elena on The Vampire Diaries but half the reason people had issues with her becoming more fleshed out was they played her too safe to trope near the beginning, she wasn't hollow but not the Elena Gilbert we got S3-S6 which was closer to her book counterpart which is why I get upset with people who missed early seasons Elena. Give me female characters who are flawed over ones who have to act a certain way...and like everybody else, I can't see her carrying a show. Her actress is decent but there's no story there for Hope yet and I'd prefer to never watch the CW again honestly. Their childish antics over The Originals not being garbage teen material has me not even wanting Roswell to get a series pickup and I want that show, I just can't stand the way that the network is run. When they first brought up the Originals, it was meant to be a more adult version of TVD with an emphasis on family. For those, like me, who came in for this reason it was interesting at first. No one was 100% good or evil, but varying shades of grey. Even Davina, who was the main teenager there (I think Hayley was 20 right? I'm not sure what her age was when the show first started) was great. She did have angst, but it never felt like teenage angst. She acted like a teenager, but it also felt more realistic due to what she's been through, so it never felt off for the show. With teenage Hope, it does feel like they're trying to recapture the spirit of TVD especially with that footballer vampire who makes goo goo eyes at her. As for the romance, I agree that it's the icing on the cake, but the problem with the show is that all of them are meant to be these epic things and that just doesn't make sense. Unfortunately, while it doesn't work for us, it does help the show because people like romances and ships. Maybe it's because of my experience with Gossip Girl and how ships ruined what could have been a great show, but since that show I feel like writers need to stay away from ships. It's fun to tease and whatever, but don't let fans dictate what your story should be. It just creates toxic relationships and unnatural angsty moments. Out of all of the ships, the only one I thought had any chemistry was Hayley and Klaus, but Phoebe gets death threats whenever they're together so that would never happen. edit: Not that I want Hayley and Klaus together. But I do like their dynamic and wish the show let us see more of them co-parenting together. Two people who had horrible upbringings working hard to provide the best for their daughter is a compelling story.
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Post by AJ on Apr 27, 2018 4:47:15 GMT
Calling it: Vincent's going to end up a patient at the Dowager Fauline Cottage (the insane asylum for witches). This poor man, I tell you.
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Post by AJ on Apr 27, 2018 4:51:13 GMT
I'm hoping that Elijah will be much more interesting now that he's not googly-eyed over Hayley. I know that if she dies, he'll be relentless in his revenge, but at least we won't have to suffer the awkward stares. Elijah was always a much more interesting character when he wasn't preoccupied with romance.
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Post by dstormborn on Apr 27, 2018 9:07:44 GMT
tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/wednesday-final-ratings-april-25-2018/The Originals, 5.02 "Wrong Turn on Bourbon" scored in final ratings a 0.4/2 in 18-49 viewers and 1.03M total, matching last week and rising in absolute viewers and .12 difference between it and Riverdale which it's matching. I'll finish up with my immaturity talking but what I'd do to witness Pedowitz's salt on this- it makes him rightly look like the idiot who sabotaged a hit show which has kindly graced him with decent numbers for its final season to help Wednesday out... it hurts to think of the potential numbers had the show not had five timeslots in five years but our show has well and truly shown it's a powerhouse and deserved every renewal. I might be wrong (geographically challenged), but it appears to me that there is much less buzz about TO when compared to Riverdale (one of the few shows I stopped watching), yet the numbers are similar. CW should not loose that potential, even if is not so strong like the Supernatural fandom.
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Post by Allison on Apr 27, 2018 12:46:30 GMT
tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/wednesday-final-ratings-april-25-2018/The Originals, 5.02 "Wrong Turn on Bourbon" scored in final ratings a 0.4/2 in 18-49 viewers and 1.03M total, matching last week and rising in absolute viewers and .12 difference between it and Riverdale which it's matching. I'll finish up with my immaturity talking but what I'd do to witness Pedowitz's salt on this- it makes him rightly look like the idiot who sabotaged a hit show which has kindly graced him with decent numbers for its final season to help Wednesday out... it hurts to think of the potential numbers had the show not had five timeslots in five years but our show has well and truly shown it's a powerhouse and deserved every renewal. I might be wrong (geographically challenged), but it appears to me that there is much less buzz about TO when compared to Riverdale (one of the few shows I stopped watching), yet the numbers are similar. CW should not loose that potential, even if is not so strong like the Supernatural fandom. And Riverdale needs that advertising as does every other show in the demo bracket which is what makes it sad for the CW on a pathetic and amusing note. The CW's burned bridges with most of the cast- Michael Narducci left at the end of last season and the best they salvage is a wrapped up product for long term reruns and a spinoff that won't have the same spark that made The Originals endure. It's the consequence of sabotaging a hit show, hits are unpredictable and spinoffs by their nature aren't the same as the parent show and don't promise the same draw. You aren't geographically challenged, the CW promos of their lineup have had hardly any signs of The Originals and US viewers have been reporting the lack of advertising. It's better this way- we get our story wrap up and the show doesn't get dragged out because the network can't land a hit to save themselves.
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