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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 20, 2018 15:21:19 GMT
What other species kids are in the school? Was it ever disclosed? I mean Hope, a hybrid and then of course werewolves. Henry was one. What about Roman(?), is he werewolf too? Rumors/spoilers say Roman is a vampire. I think the school takes all supernatural kids: wolf, vampire, witch, hybirds, and whatever in between. It seems like from the TVD ending that they even identified future/possible vampire hunters (Brotherhood of the Five) and took them in too. It doesnt feel right to see such young kids as vampires but then again Caroline, Elena, Stefan etc were around the same age when they turned. In a way the school is a mini NOLA. Vampire hunters.... interesting. Isnt the brotherhood of five the same who targeted Klaus and his siblings centuries ago? |
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Post by Allison on Apr 20, 2018 23:18:30 GMT
tvbythenumbers.zap2it.com/daily-ratings/wednesday-final-ratings-april-18-2018/The Originals held its 0.4/2 in the final ratings with a tiny blip in overall viewers but still 0.4/2 and 0.97M to Riverdale's 0.4/2 and 1.10M is a small deviation in total viewers, great for a 9PM show to have such retention with a last minute timeslot move and it matched in the figure that counts which is the 18-49 demo. Disappointing, dont you think since the targeted KC fandom is very big and from what I am seeing a lot of them are hooking on this season? Not really- we're matching Arrow (usually gets 0.4 but was pre-empted this week so we beat it but pre-emptions are unfair), Riverdale- The Originals is doing well by CW standards... the CW has driven off a lot of their viewership in the last few years- the Klaroline fandom couldn't muster more than 29k signatures (this is with multiple same votes mind you) on a petition and have no impact on the viewership. I would love for The Originals to rise up to the 0.5-0.8 range without delayed viewing numbers but the show has had five timeslots in five years, this last one a final minute switch, managing to score a mid range, above average demo on a last minute midseason premiere is good and shows The Originals managed to sustain their own viewerbase. The shippers are delusional nutcases and always come across as larger than they are- and they've been hooking in every season.... how else can they insert Caroline into the show in their fan universe where she crossed over and the Original family are (mostly) their to cater to Klaus/Caroline? Every ship wants to think they're the centre of a show's success or failure but it's not true. |
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Post by AJ on Apr 21, 2018 0:28:30 GMT
Isnt the brotherhood of five the same who targeted Klaus and his siblings centuries ago? That'd be them, yeah. |
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Post by AJ on Apr 21, 2018 0:35:26 GMT
Disappointing, dont you think since the targeted KC fandom is very big and from what I am seeing a lot of them are hooking on this season? Not really- we're matching Arrow (usually gets 0.4 but was pre-empted this week so we beat it but pre-emptions are unfair), Riverdale- The Originals is doing well by CW standards... the CW has driven off a lot of their viewership in the last few years- the Klaroline random couldn't muster more than 29k signatures (this is with multiple same votes mind you) on a petition and have no impact on the viewership. I would love for The Originals to rise up to the 0.5-0.8 range without delayed viewing numbers but the show has had five timeslots in five years, this last one a final minute switch, managing to score a mid range, above average demo on a last minute midseason premiere is good and shows The Originals managed to sustain their own viewerbase. The shippers are delusional nutcases and always come across as larger than they are- and they've been hooking in every season.... how else can they insert Caroline into the show in their fan universe where she crossed over and the Original family are (mostly) their to cater to Klaus/Caroline? Every ship wants to think they're the centre of a show's success or failure but it's not true. Because shippers are usually a very vocal minority. It doesn't help that Plec sometimes panders to them. So if ratings are the same, I wonder why they ultimately pulled the plug and sabotaged the promotion for the last two seasons. I noticed CW seems to be directing more energy to superheroes than vampires. Is that partly why? |
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 21, 2018 1:10:50 GMT
Isnt the brotherhood of five the same who targeted Klaus and his siblings centuries ago? That'd be them, yeah. WOW... the Mikaelsons are not going to be happy with them or vice versa. |
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 21, 2018 1:15:41 GMT
Not really- we're matching Arrow (usually gets 0.4 but was pre-empted this week so we beat it but pre-emptions are unfair), Riverdale- The Originals is doing well by CW standards... the CW has driven off a lot of their viewership in the last few years- the Klaroline random couldn't muster more than 29k signatures (this is with multiple same votes mind you) on a petition and have no impact on the viewership. I would love for The Originals to rise up to the 0.5-0.8 range without delayed viewing numbers but the show has had five timeslots in five years, this last one a final minute switch, managing to score a mid range, above average demo on a last minute midseason premiere is good and shows The Originals managed to sustain their own viewerbase. The shippers are delusional nutcases and always come across as larger than they are- and they've been hooking in every season.... how else can they insert Caroline into the show in their fan universe where she crossed over and the Original family are (mostly) their to cater to Klaus/Caroline? Every ship wants to think they're the centre of a show's success or failure but it's not true. Because shippers are usually a very vocal minority. It doesn't help that Plec sometimes panders to them. So if ratings are the same, I wonder why they ultimately pulled the plug and sabotaged the promotion for the last two seasons. I noticed CW seems to be directing more energy to superheroes than vampires. Is that partly why? I heard the rumors back then that there were budget issues coz CW demanded them to go in one direction story-wise (they were most shipping demands... all kinds of stories about how they wanted the writers to do KC or CK) but they (writers and EP) refused so they were having budget issue. I am not sure how much of that is true, I mean the reason why the budget was cut. |
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Post by Allison on Apr 21, 2018 2:54:26 GMT
The CW has had a bad history. Dawn Ostroff started the ball rolling as far as damage when the CW was formed between the WB and UPN channels. The powerhouse show in the female demographic, Gilmore Girls was lost after a season and she had a weird and terrible method of running the network, into the ground would be most accurate. The Vampire Diaries probably can be considered to have good advertising on the promotion of the vampire craze than the strange 'got wood'/'caught VD yet'... it was atrocious- she sabotaged shows left, right and centre for her pet projects which followed a more Lifetime/soapy demographic and didn't go so well.
Pedowitz's tenure started out okay but I'm beginning to think he downplayed his own preferences at the start as after Ostroff, the higher ups would have canned someone like her very quickly. His thing seems to be trend hopping which has overloaded the network with superhero shows, but the CW doesn't seem to have moved past Ostroff era emphasis on unnecessary romance drama in their shows. It damaged Arrow and contributed to The Tomorrow People's downfall (although it should have been renewed on diversity grounds as well as not having it critical levels and a proper judgement after the second season). Supernatural is more or less untouchable with syndication and its sheer episode count.
The Originals followed a family emphasis closer to Supernatural and shows of the past WB/UPN than the CW formula which is why it was so successful on its own merit when it started as the vampire fad had dropped and wasn't promising a show's success. The CW's attempted Bloodlines spinoff with Supernatural was really their attempts to cross the two shows over into a CW-esque style teen drama soup and naturally went over badly since the audiences of Supernatural and The Originals weren't interested and the monster romance fad was finished. Monday was a deathslot back then and putting The Originals there was to countermand the third season rule- it didn't die so, they were guaranteed two seasons- so behind TVD it went. The Vampire Diaries worked, for the romance drama but its vibe made it one of the worst lead-ins I've seen on television and the CW wanting The Originals to be something it wasn't wouldn't have helped. I don't think Season Five was Pedowitz's choice with how the cast were auditioning for other roles then, I think he got made to renew it by the people above him. The Originals is internationally syndicated outside the US and was pulling in enough advertising revenue... I think he might be on thinning ice as far as absolute control and the affiliates might have played in too. They weren't given Sabrina and it was supposed to be a certain deal.
Pedowitz either needs to learn to balance the network properly or get replaced. All the Netflix deals aren't going to help the fact they haven't had a real hit since Flash premiered and before that, The Originals was the only real premiere hit of its launch season which is why they've been picking up so many extra shows- Sunday scheduling is a cover for the fact they need to air more premieres to get something that breaks strong out of the gate, multiple somethings now.
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Post by AJ on Apr 22, 2018 1:54:36 GMT
Thanks, guys. I admit to not having paid much attention to behind the scenes stuff for a while.
Re: budget cuts - CW seems to do that a lot. Back when it was still the WB, they kept cutting the budget for Charmed, and demanded the show do more with less money. And it sucked. So it wouldn't surprise me if they were demanding stuff like more ship fanservice.
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