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Post by daydreamer on Apr 16, 2018 20:39:20 GMT
Well, the end is near, and I, for one, cannot wait. Still so disappointed in everything...but I digress. There are some small spoilers below, but most everything is just my own theory on what's going to happen.
1. Klaroline! You'd think this would make me happy, but I know better than to trust Julie Plec. I'm happy there will be new photos/scenes of my OTP. But I have no doubt she's gonna screw it up like she's screwed up every other ship. My prediction is that Klaroline will be left open-ended. Open to interpretation. Which is actually fine with me.
But for anyone saying Caroline and Klaus are gonna run off together to see the world; or that Caroline will be moving to NOLA - no. She won't leave her girls behind and Alaric would never allow the girls to move to NOLA.
2. Klaus' big redemption arc will involve him allowing Hope to return to Mystic Falls and the Salvatore School. When actually, he won't really have a choice because -
3. The big death will be Freya. I am absolutely convinced it's going to be Freya. They've got to get Hope back to MF somehow. All Hope wants right now is to reunite with her father and the rest of the family. Small spoiler: we know that Freya will be involved with teaching Hope how to control her magic. So why would the family break up again (meaning Hope returns to MF) unless Freya was no longer around to help her control her magic? And there's no way Klaus trusts any witch in NOLA to help Hope. She'll have to return to MF, to a structured routine, to less distractions and where there should be witches she already knows there to help her. Not only that, but things seem to be going extremely well for Freya and Keelin. And this show and these writers have a habit of killing off their females. Also, Small spoiler: Mikael has an appearance as well. I think he'll meet her when she dies. Because I can't stand the alternative of ANOTHER scene of daddy angst between Klaus and Mikael.
4. God, please, I am begging you: let them finally kill off Hayley. If this happens, it'll be bittersweet because it should have happened years ago. "Hope needs her mother!" "Hope's all alone except for Hayley!" I call BALONEY. Why? I saw a clip. Small spoiler: Hayley didn't stay in MF to be near Hope. She returned to NOLA and her precious wolves. She should have stayed in MF. They literally dumped her in a boarding school and walked away. Because they knew, they knew, they knew that a kid was absolutely useless on this type of show and didn't know what else to do with her.
5. Cami's appearance. I think this appearance will have more to do with Hope than Klaus. I think Hope's going to discover the inheritance Cami left her and there's either a letter or a magical dream/hologram appearance where Cami will share a message with Hope.
6. I believe the main three are safe: Klaus, Elijah and Rebekah.
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Post by Allison on Apr 17, 2018 0:04:35 GMT
Well, the end is near, and I, for one, cannot wait. Still so disappointed in everything...but I digress. There are some small spoilers below, but most everything is just my own theory on what's going to happen. 1. Klaroline! You'd think this would make me happy, but I know better than to trust Julie Plec. I'm happy there will be new photos/scenes of my OTP. But I have no doubt she's gonna screw it up like she's screwed up every other ship. My prediction is that Klaroline will be left open-ended. Open to interpretation. Which is actually fine with me. But for anyone saying Caroline and Klaus are gonna run off together to see the world; or that Caroline will be moving to NOLA - no. She won't leave her girls behind and Alaric would never allow the girls to move to NOLA. 2. Klaus' big redemption arc will involve him allowing Hope to return to Mystic Falls and the Salvatore School. When actually, he won't really have a choice because - 3. The big death will be Freya. I am absolutely convinced it's going to be Freya. They've got to get Hope back to MF somehow. All Hope wants right now is to reunite with her father and the rest of the family. Small spoiler: we know that Freya will be involved with teaching Hope how to control her magic. So why would the family break up again (meaning Hope returns to MF) unless Freya was no longer around to help her control her magic? And there's no way Klaus trusts any witch in NOLA to help Hope. She'll have to return to MF, to a structured routine, to less distractions and where there should be witches she already knows there to help her. Not only that, but things seem to be going extremely well for Freya and Keelin. And this show and these writers have a habit of killing off their females. Also, Small spoiler: Mikael has an appearance as well. I think he'll meet her when she dies. Because I can't stand the alternative of ANOTHER scene of daddy angst between Klaus and Mikael. 4. God, please, I am begging you: let them finally kill off Hayley. If this happens, it'll be bittersweet because it should have happened years ago. "Hope needs her mother!" "Hope's all alone except for Hayley!" I call BALONEY. Why? I saw a clip. Small spoiler: Hayley didn't stay in MF to be near Hope. She returned to NOLA and her precious wolves. She should have stayed in MF. They literally dumped her in a boarding school and walked away. Because they knew, they knew, they knew that a kid was absolutely useless on this type of show and didn't know what else to do with her. 5. Cami's appearance. I think this appearance will have more to do with Hope than Klaus. I think Hope's going to discover the inheritance Cami left her and there's either a letter or a magical dream/hologram appearance where Cami will share a message with Hope. 6. I believe the main three are safe: Klaus, Elijah and Rebekah. Hayley's an interesting character for me and has been for four years (excluding Jackson who got a kinder sendoff than he deserved)- besides, from the sounds of things, Hope is with Hayley in New Orleans... I don't want anyone in the Mikaelson family and their extended family to die, I think they've been through enough and I will cry like crazy if Freya dies, period. I think I wouldn't be able to handle the emotional impact of a final scene between Freya and Mikael. I think Kol is safe as well as Marcel- I've been thinking about the big death that's been rumoured and that there's been no whispers about Caroline in the potential Hope spinoff and Alaric's mainstay role might be that the big death is a former TVD main which they can safely do- the only TVD characters confirmed to have lived until old age and past the end of The Originals this season are Elena and Damon, Alaric's safe because of the spinoff and Matt as Mystic Falls sheriff, maybe. It's just a thought.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 17, 2018 0:13:20 GMT
I agree with you on Klaroline arc somewhat. I think it will be left open for interpretation but with a positive interpretation of their future romantic relationship chances. I am actually looking forward to how they interact. they do have a connection and there are definitely strong feelings which were never really explored. If it is left open ended I think it will be because Caroline is not willing to take the plunge right now coz she does not trust in their feelings as of now not just because of her daughters. They are in their teens. They dont really need their mother 24/7 with them now and living in boarding school. These vampires and hybrids are capable of vamping from one place to another quickly. DONT worry I have a feeling JP will not ruin this relationship.
Klaus redemption arc- I am totally lost on that one now. Once I thought he would want to become a better person for his child and want to raise her himself but they went sideways on that one. I mean he was supposed to be a better father for his daughter and as per his thinking since he couldnt he left her alone for what 5 years 10 years so that she can grow up in better and normalish environment with kids like her own. One can say that this was him being a better father for HOpe coz as per the whole world including him he can never be a good influence on his daughter. Once he was being selfish in not letting her during the pregnancy of Hayley. During the course of her life, he has learned to live his needs after her. One thing I can say is that Klaus has proven to be a major disappointment. Because of his daddy issue even after 1000 years of acting as an alpha he is actually a beta personality and had not managed to pull himself out of those self pitying feelings and be a man finally for his daughter. Despite the inner struggle people have to go through IMO it is easier to just up and walk away because you are not good for a person. It takes more courage and struggle to stay with them and be the person they need you to be. Klaus had done that twice now with Hope. Yes he thinks that he is doing it for her (coz he cant be a good father to his daughter) but at the end of the day he was never there for his daughter for what 11 years. He loved her from afar which also I am not convinced coz when he was in dungeons at the start of season 4 it was Cami he was hallucinating, not Hope IIRC. I am hoping that he somehow managed to sneak in and see Hope from afar during these 10 years but I am not holding my breath on.
I am pretty certain elijah will die. One of the reasons I think is that SPOILER Hayley dies (hey your wish came true) and once JP mentioned something like maybe these lovers will find their HEA in afterlife (something to this affect).
Big death is Elijah. But a minor-ish death could be Freya. I read somewhere a long time ago that Freya and Keeline will have a child. Knowing JP, she will not give a couple a total happiness.
As for Hayley she had been there for Hope more than Klaus had been. Hope is in the boarding school. I dont think Hayley has to live in MF to show that she has to be in her daughter's life. She can visit her on weekends and what not and vice versa like how people do in real life. For Hayley her wolves were always very important, no secret there and she tried to find a balance between them and her daughter.
Cami will make an appearance but in dream or hallucination and it will be some sort of advice for Klaus and Hope. It could be around the time when Hayley is dying. As per spoilers Klaus will be greatly affected by her death (am not sure how much I believe it) which would mean he will need someone to help him with his self pitying. Could be Cami and Caroline combo. Maybe Hope will need Cami at that time or maybe whole family will need the family therapist (please give me this JP) to help them get through this. OH major death could be Hayley.
My major interest is will this season be totally romance motivated or will there be an actual storyline somewhere and what will it revolve around?
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Post by AJ on Apr 17, 2018 16:56:10 GMT
I'm really not understanding Klaus in that preview clip. Yes, the siblings are forbidden from being physically near each other or Hope, but that doesn't mean they can't Skype or Facetime or text or email or send smoke signals. They're not completely cut off from each other or Hope or Hayley. Why would he have not spoken to his daughter in years?
Also, I think Klaus is inadvertently gonna cause chaos with the Hollow because he can't stay away from Elijah.
As per spoilers, Hayley will die and witnessing that is what will get Elijah his memories back (assuming this plot point hasn't changed after it got leaked). Some thoughts I have about that:
1. The Crescent wolves will lose the control they were getting from her hybrid status; this means the pack will be vulnerable again and needing a new alpha. Maybe a new character?
2. Elijah is gonna be on a warpath, along with the wolves, Hope and probably Klaus.
3. Vincent is gonna get hounded to death (maybe literally) to resurrect Hayley, because people don't stay dead. I expect things will come to a head between the witches and the Mikaelsons.
Beyond that, I don't have a lot of predictions. I don't even have a guess as to who kills Hayley or why. Side note: has anyone else found that they've just lost their enthusiasm for this show? I used to be so excited for new eps, and this time around no. I just realized this morning that it's premiering tomorrow, I'd forgotten. Meh.
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Post by Daydream on Apr 18, 2018 23:07:59 GMT
THIS. THIS SO MUCH. They can't be near each other physically. But if Klaus literally just stayed away with NO contact with Hope - that's such BS. That makes it all about him and his man-pain. Instead of focusing on his daughter and what SHE needs. I can't stand this plot point. Probably. I'd agree with that. IIRC, as long as Hayley and Jackson didn't betray each other in life, the pack gets to keep its Hybrid status. I think once Jack died, they Crescents were safe. I think Hayley's new love interest, Declan (?) is a wolf. So if she dies and stays dead, I'd assume he'd take over. God knows Klaus won't and who knows if Hope has any interest. Even if she did, she's too young. And returning to boarding school. I think Elijah's gonna struggle. I think 5x03 is 100% dedicated to Elijah and what's been happening with him these past years. They'll introduce his new love interest. The actress is a freakin' hottie. But I'm also afraid they'll go the route they did with Stefan in TVD. Damon died, Stefan ran off and started a "new" life. He had a love interest and it fell so FLAT. I'm hoping it works better in TO. If it does, then I think Elijah is really gonna struggle between his old/returning feelings for Hayley - and her death. He's gonna go through some guilt, too. Not only that she died and he couldn't help her, but that he "loved" someone else. I honestly hope he finds his way back to his new girl. When/if Hayley dies, Hope will struggle with her out-of-control magic. That's going to be the time for Klaus to freaking stand up and be a father. To help her get her rage under control, even though he may want revenge too. We'll see what happens. I don't care about Vincent. I'm tired of his doomsday prophecies and thinking he knows best. I don't care who kills Hayley, but I'm ready to stan whoever it is. I'm assuming it's probably someone who wants to use/hurt/kill Hope. Girl, I lost my enthusiam for this show after S2. The sad thing is, I clearly remember stating on the IMDb boards during S1 that I couldn't imagine ever giving up on this show. Pffttt...famous last words. I haven't watched a single episode since. And even with Klaroline returning, I don't plan to watch. Mainly because I know JP & Co are baiting/using Klaroline to get ratings in order to "prove" to the network how much everyone loves Hope and a spinoff is justified. I'll watch the Klaroline clips and keep up via social media. Sad thing is, I predict this will be one of the better seasons.
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Post by daydreamer on Apr 18, 2018 23:20:40 GMT
Well, the end is near, and I, for one, cannot wait. Still so disappointed in everything...but I digress. There are some small spoilers below, but most everything is just my own theory on what's going to happen. 1. Klaroline! You'd think this would make me happy, but I know better than to trust Julie Plec. I'm happy there will be new photos/scenes of my OTP. But I have no doubt she's gonna screw it up like she's screwed up every other ship. My prediction is that Klaroline will be left open-ended. Open to interpretation. Which is actually fine with me. But for anyone saying Caroline and Klaus are gonna run off together to see the world; or that Caroline will be moving to NOLA - no. She won't leave her girls behind and Alaric would never allow the girls to move to NOLA. 2. Klaus' big redemption arc will involve him allowing Hope to return to Mystic Falls and the Salvatore School. When actually, he won't really have a choice because - 3. The big death will be Freya. I am absolutely convinced it's going to be Freya. They've got to get Hope back to MF somehow. All Hope wants right now is to reunite with her father and the rest of the family. Small spoiler: we know that Freya will be involved with teaching Hope how to control her magic. So why would the family break up again (meaning Hope returns to MF) unless Freya was no longer around to help her control her magic? And there's no way Klaus trusts any witch in NOLA to help Hope. She'll have to return to MF, to a structured routine, to less distractions and where there should be witches she already knows there to help her. Not only that, but things seem to be going extremely well for Freya and Keelin. And this show and these writers have a habit of killing off their females. Also, Small spoiler: Mikael has an appearance as well. I think he'll meet her when she dies. Because I can't stand the alternative of ANOTHER scene of daddy angst between Klaus and Mikael. 4. God, please, I am begging you: let them finally kill off Hayley. If this happens, it'll be bittersweet because it should have happened years ago. "Hope needs her mother!" "Hope's all alone except for Hayley!" I call BALONEY. Why? I saw a clip. Small spoiler: Hayley didn't stay in MF to be near Hope. She returned to NOLA and her precious wolves. She should have stayed in MF. They literally dumped her in a boarding school and walked away. Because they knew, they knew, they knew that a kid was absolutely useless on this type of show and didn't know what else to do with her. 5. Cami's appearance. I think this appearance will have more to do with Hope than Klaus. I think Hope's going to discover the inheritance Cami left her and there's either a letter or a magical dream/hologram appearance where Cami will share a message with Hope. 6. I believe the main three are safe: Klaus, Elijah and Rebekah. I have to admit, I never thought I could sympathize with Mikael, but they found a way. Unfortunately, I do too. I think Kol has turned out to be the biggest disappointment in the TO verse. I thought about Marcel dying (sacrificing himself for Hope) and returning the balance of power to the Mikaelsons. I like that idea and I like the idea of them being truly immortal. But I backed away from the idea - they're so adament about Marcel being a Mikaelson and part of the family, I feel like they won't kil him. Well, that would certainly get people talking! Personally, I don't think so. I think Candice decided against the spinoff because 1) it's time to move on 2) she can't be on it without constantly getting harrassed with "When's Klaus coming to visit?!" And JoMo has already moved on (I'm so excited for his new project!)! I'm curious how they'll explain her disappearance in the spinoff or if she'll just be wiped out/ignored. Or mentioned in passing, "Oh, Caroline's off in South America, recruiting a new batch of students." Rumor is that she'll be in NOLA heading up their sister school. If they want the spin-off to be successful, they have to market it to an entirely new generation. And that means no more fan-favorites. I feel like Rebekah may show up from time to time because Claire has proven that she's willing to guest star.
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Post by daydreamer on Apr 18, 2018 23:32:38 GMT
I think it's going to be a positive open-ended endgame. And that still won't make some Klaroline fans happy. Sigh... You and me both. Yep. Yep. For many reasons. I said to AJ, I'll say it again here: there's no reason why Klaus shouldn't have been writting letters, sending emails/texts, Facetiming/Skyping, or calling with Hope over these past few years. Any man-pain he's experiencing because he can't be with his daughter is 100% on him. He had options to keep in touch with her, but it was "too hard" for him. He wasn't thinking about her needs. She needed her dad - even if it was just a phone call. Even if it was just through a video call. Manufactured angst, and I hate it. I also agree that he should have been hallucinating Hope during those 5 years. But again, I guess it just hurt "too much" to think of her and not be able to be with her. I also thought the Cami hallucinations were just more manufactured angst and fan-service. I hadn't considered that. But if he's sneaking off to see Elijah, I can see him doing this. Or not - because again, it would be "too hard" for him. All the press I've seen surrounding this season has been Klaroline based. So people are thinking it's going to be all about Klaroline, and it's not. I think the focus will be reuniting the family and really establishing Hope as a main character - as someone who can pull off her own show.
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 19, 2018 1:26:57 GMT
Here's my problem regarding the spoiler about Hayley - if she dies, then that means every female other than the Original family has died. We've lost Celeste, Sophie, Francesca, Davina, Cami, Gia (I think that's her name, the vamp that Elijah hooked up with, I forgot her name) Genevieve, Eva, and now Hayley. (There are tons of other characters too, but I forgot their name)
The show has a horrible track record when it comes to female characters and the fact that Klaus is allowed to be redeemed and allowed to have a happy ending, but Hayley, who isn't that old and did horrible stuff in TVD and not TO, is going to get killed so a male character can be propped up is messed up. Plec kept Hayley and Elijah apart since they were a toxic relationship, for her to then have Hayley die to 'save' Elijah goes against this.
As a TO viewer only, I'm okay with the female characters not being overly good. That's normal, but they keep killing them. Hayley shouldn't have to die just to save Elijah or whatever. And it's going to be even worse if she comes back. What's the point of her death if she's going to come back?
I'm veering into full on rant mode now lol, but yea I really hate that spoiler and it's making me lose interest with the show. Same with the Klaroline thing. Cami was a good match for Klaus, but then they killed her for a TVD fanservice thing?
I don't get it.
Plus if Josh can continue to live, even though he was meant to die back in season one, then why does Hayley have to die?
...I'll stop now lol.
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 19, 2018 1:31:31 GMT
I should add that I've been consistently anti romance on the Originals since our imdb days. The show is stronger when the focus is on family. I'm just really worried that this season is going to be all about the romance and fanservice and I don't know if I can handle it. Hopefully they surprise me, but I'm not going to keep my fingers crossed.
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Post by daydreamer on Apr 19, 2018 2:23:00 GMT
I desperately wanted TO to focus on family with a minimum on romance. To me, they wanted lightening to strike twice. They wanted to create "epic" ships along the lines of Damon/Elena and Klaus/Caroline - and they failed. I know it's subjective!! - but I truly believe they failed. This particular show never should have focused on romance. Sure, a little bit. But when you have three main female characters: Rebekah: she's so much more and they had her acting like a desperate lovesick puppy - for a man who is not worth it!! Hayley: they tried so hard with her. They tried so hard to make her relevent; to make viewers care/fall in love with her. Her major storylines revolved around her love life: Jackson. Elijah. Jackson. Elijah. No, I can't be with you - because of a dream/hallucination! Declan. Cami: nothing to do but prop up Klaus. They ruined her after S1. She had so much potential and they did nothing with it. I get they have to have outside characters. Characters other than the Mikaelsons. I get not every other character can be a villain. Of course there's going to be attraction and hooking up. But an actual love story - should have been kept to a minimum. But they just had to pair everyone up. Sigh...
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Post by daydreamer on Apr 19, 2018 2:32:20 GMT
Damn, that's right, isn't it? I - I think Keelin's going to survive...and maybe Elijah's newest love interest...sheesh. I didn't realize just how bad it was until you wrote all the names. I honestly don't think Klaus is going to get a traditional happy ending (I realize that sentence sounds dirty, but it's not meant to be). I honestly think that his happy ending will simply be him reunited with his family again. He'll still have to send Hope back to school in MF for some reason. I will actually be quite impressed if Hayley sacrifices herself for Elijah. To me, she's just always been - selfish. Different levels of selfish. So for her to do that - if she does that - I'd be impressed. I honestly believe they never had any intention of bringing Caroline to TO in the beginning. I honestly beleive that when they made the decision to kill off Cami, they still had no intention of bringing over Caroline. And I know Klaroline has been dominating the promos and press, but it's only because they want the Klaroline fans to bump up the ratings. She's in 4 episodes (three after tonight) and another episode where she just did voice work (so a phone call or something).
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 19, 2018 2:44:04 GMT
I desperately wanted TO to focus on family with a minimum on romance. To me, they wanted lightening to strike twice. They wanted to create "epic" ships along the lines of Damon/Elena and Klaus/Caroline - and they failed. I know it's subjective!! - but I truly believe they failed. This particular show never should have focused on romance. Sure, a little bit. But when you have three main female characters: Rebekah: she's so much more and they had her acting like a desperate lovesick puppy - for a man who is not worth it!! Hayley: they tried so hard with her. They tried so hard to make her relevent; to make viewers care/fall in love with her. Her major storylines revolved around her love life: Jackson. Elijah. Jackson. Elijah. No, I can't be with you - because of a dream/hallucination! Declan. Cami: nothing to do but prop up Klaus. They ruined her after S1. She had so much potential and they did nothing with it. I get they have to have outside characters. Characters other than the Mikaelsons. I get not every other character can be a villain. Of course there's going to be attraction and hooking up. But an actual love story - should have been kept to a minimum. But they just had to pair everyone up. Sigh... I desperately wanted TO to focus on family with a minimum on romance. So I think they did focus on family but in their eyes family is only Elijah and Klaus with Rebekah in small chunks. NO one is allowed to penetrate in that small family. Cami: nothing to do but prop up Klaus. They ruined her after S1. She had so much potential and they did nothing with it. I hate what they did to Cami. She was so great in season 1. SO much potential. They could have used her potential for the whole family rahter than Klaus but they did use her to prop Klaus and just him. (Havent watched the episode YET so from past knowledge of the characters... ) As for Rebekah I am with you. I get why she is not committing to Marcel. She thinks Marcel does not put her first. I can see her point but why cant she compromise too? A relationship needs compromise. It seems that she is not willing to share Marcel with NOLA. It seems like she wants him to choose between his "job" and her. It is not fair of her IMO. Also from her past record, despite her whining (Yes I think she whines a lot) that she wants family, i don't see her committed to any relationship. If she cannot have that compromise with Marcel than why does she not find someone else? Could it be a fact that she really is in love with her brother (Klaus) and knowing that it is wrong she cannot commit to any other relationship? Maybe it is just commitment issue in general and not just pertaining to relationships... Hayley.. I am not disappointed with her writing maybe coz I didnt have major expectations from her character. And no successful pairing happened.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 19, 2018 2:51:27 GMT
Damn, that's right, isn't it? I - I think Keelin's going to survive...and maybe Elijah's newest love interest...sheesh. I didn't realize just how bad it was until you wrote all the names. I honestly don't think Klaus is going to get a traditional happy ending (I realize that sentence sounds dirty, but it's not meant to be). I honestly think that his happy ending will simply be him reunited with his family again. He'll still have to send Hope back to school in MF for some reason. I will actually be quite impressed if Hayley sacrifices herself for Elijah. To me, she's just always been - selfish. Different levels of selfish. So for her to do that - if she does that - I'd be impressed. I honestly believe they never had any intention of bringing Caroline to TO in the beginning. I honestly beleive that when they made the decision to kill off Cami, they still had no intention of bringing over Caroline. And I know Klaroline has been dominating the promos and press, but it's only because they want the Klaroline fans to bump up the ratings. She's in 4 episodes (three after tonight) and another episode where she just did voice work (so a phone call or something). When they killed Cami, I became 90% sure Caroline and Klaus will have a romantic future. I honestly think Klaroline and Delena were JP's favorite ships from the get go. From the beginning I always had this feeling that she really liked Klaroline despite what she said. There would always be this sweet smile on her face when she talked about them. Maybe it was actors or what but I think she liked their dynamics and had every intention of bringing them back. the very back that in almost every season there was mentions of them in cannon was quite telling. In supernatural too, they kill off all female characters. I didnt know Hayley would die fro Elijah. I know that Klaus tried to save her but elijah prevented it for some reason. Why would ELijah prevent Klaus if she were dying for him? Is he being selfish or what? It will be a open ending for Klaus. I am curious what will Rebekah decide in the end though.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 19, 2018 3:09:24 GMT
Here's my problem regarding the spoiler about Hayley - if she dies, then that means every female other than the Original family has died. We've lost Celeste, Sophie, Francesca, Davina, Cami, Gia (I think that's her name, the vamp that Elijah hooked up with, I forgot her name) Genevieve, Eva, and now Hayley. (There are tons of other characters too, but I forgot their name) The show has a horrible track record when it comes to female characters and the fact that Klaus is allowed to be redeemed and allowed to have a happy ending, but Hayley, who isn't that old and did horrible stuff in TVD and not TO, is going to get killed so a male character can be propped up is messed up. Plec kept Hayley and Elijah apart since they were a toxic relationship, for her to then have Hayley die to 'save' Elijah goes against this. As a TO viewer only, I'm okay with the female characters not being overly good. That's normal, but they keep killing them. Hayley shouldn't have to die just to save Elijah or whatever. And it's going to be even worse if she comes back. What's the point of her death if she's going to come back? I'm veering into full on rant mode now lol, but yea I really hate that spoiler and it's making me lose interest with the show. Same with the Klaroline thing. Cami was a good match for Klaus, but then they killed her for a TVD fanservice thing? I don't get it. Plus if Josh can continue to live, even though he was meant to die back in season one, then why does Hayley have to die? ...I'll stop now lol. Like I said to Daydreamer, Supernatural is another show where they kill off female characters. GIA's character shouldnt have been killed. I miss her. Where did you read that she dies to save Elijah? What the hell is wrong with Klaus and Hayley? Instead of being there for their daughter, they are willing to die for other people. Does not matter if those other people are family, Hope should be more important to them. they both SHOULD want to be there for their daughter and see her grow up. Don't get me started on Josh. I am not sure how can he survive the show but then again I can see how he survived. He was smart enough to stay out of line of danger. Of course it is all contrived. Josh IIRC is favorite character of many writers. I like to think him as an ordinary character whose death will not affect anyone hence is continuing to live. As for Hayley I think they are killing her coz they want to make some sort of major affect on remaining characters. I hope she dies doing something important. She has managed to maintain good balance in everything and done good for her people and family. Oh and I dont think she will come back. I think she and Elijah will get their HEA in afterlife whenever Elijah dies (open ending for Haylijah if he does not die at the end of series). I wouldnt call Cami's death as fan-service per se since her actions were so suicidal from beginning. I am okay with Klaroline. Of course there was chemistry and of course there was some strong vibes from Klaus side. What I like about them is that they both tried to have relationships and sort of succeeded instead of pining for each other. Both of them are now mature enough to get into this relationship now. I would have liked them more if they had this journey while being on the same show. With them getting this relationship after being in two different show screams fan-service.
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 19, 2018 3:25:00 GMT
Here's my problem regarding the spoiler about Hayley - if she dies, then that means every female other than the Original family has died. We've lost Celeste, Sophie, Francesca, Davina, Cami, Gia (I think that's her name, the vamp that Elijah hooked up with, I forgot her name) Genevieve, Eva, and now Hayley. (There are tons of other characters too, but I forgot their name) The show has a horrible track record when it comes to female characters and the fact that Klaus is allowed to be redeemed and allowed to have a happy ending, but Hayley, who isn't that old and did horrible stuff in TVD and not TO, is going to get killed so a male character can be propped up is messed up. Plec kept Hayley and Elijah apart since they were a toxic relationship, for her to then have Hayley die to 'save' Elijah goes against this. As a TO viewer only, I'm okay with the female characters not being overly good. That's normal, but they keep killing them. Hayley shouldn't have to die just to save Elijah or whatever. And it's going to be even worse if she comes back. What's the point of her death if she's going to come back? I'm veering into full on rant mode now lol, but yea I really hate that spoiler and it's making me lose interest with the show. Same with the Klaroline thing. Cami was a good match for Klaus, but then they killed her for a TVD fanservice thing? I don't get it. Plus if Josh can continue to live, even though he was meant to die back in season one, then why does Hayley have to die? ...I'll stop now lol. Like I said to Daydreamer, Supernatural is another show where they kill off female characters. GIA's character shouldnt have been killed. I miss her. Where did you read that she dies to save Elijah? What the hell is wrong with Klaus and Hayley? Instead of being there for their daughter, they are willing to die for other people. Does not matter if those other people are family, Hope should be more important to them. they both SHOULD want to be there for their daughter and see her grow up. Don't get me started on Josh. I am not sure how can he survive the show but then again I can see how he survived. He was smart enough to stay out of line of danger. Of course it is all contrived. Josh IIRC is favorite character of many writers. I like to think him as an ordinary character whose death will not affect anyone hence is continuing to live. As for Hayley I think they are killing her coz they want to make some sort of major affect on remaining characters. I hope she dies doing something important. She has managed to maintain good balance in everything and done good for her people and family. Oh and I dont think she will come back. I think she and Elijah will get their HEA in afterlife whenever Elijah dies (open ending for Haylijah if he does not die at the end of series). I should have worded it properly. She doesn't die to save Elijah, she just dies and that is what triggers Elijah's lost memory since he's there to witness it. Back in August one of the producers posted a whiteboard of a bunch of plot points for season 5. One of them included Hayley's death and the angst it provides for Hope, Klaus, and Elijah. But she's probably going to be coming back to life, which defeats this purpose and cheapens her death.
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