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Post by daydreamer on Jun 19, 2017 0:23:45 GMT
Place your bets... Keelin (sp?) dies. Possibly Vincent and/or Freya too. I'm 95% positive Davina will die and possibly Kol. I'm not lucky enough to have Hayley die (and stay dead).  I hope there's a Klaroline moment - a real moment that features Klaus and Caroline in each other's presence, but I have a feeling that JP has been trolling the Klaroliners all season. I won't be surprised if it's Hayley that drops off Hope in MF. Or it won't feature Caroline at all, but Alaric. If Haylijah is done, then I hope Elijah gtf over her and finds his own Cami. Someone who loves him despite the monster within him. I'm guessing that the Hollow will be split into pieces and each piece reside in a Mikaelson, which is why they'll be forced to part ways (the end of "Always and Forever.") |
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Post by AJ on Jun 19, 2017 2:20:41 GMT
It looks like splitting up the Hollow is what's gonna happen. I wonder if that means they can't Face Time.
So, the family splits like so:
- Keelin and Freya (if they are doing a time jump, that means several uneventful years as far as threats. So they can finally get time for each other)
- Davina and Kol (they were already gonna explore)
- Klaus, Hayley and Hope (whether to Mystic Falls or not, those three go together. Am also anticipating the "and he smiles" ending we got to refer to him seeing Caroline if they do go to Virginia)
- Bex (girl needs time to get over her ex and to find a good guy who is good to her)
- Elijah (will probably spend time alone for a while)
Vincent and Marcel go back to their uneasy alliance to keep NOLA running and safe. Maybe Vincent hooks up with that witch from earlier; Marcel seems to have chosen to move on with Sophia.
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Post by Madamimadam on Jun 19, 2017 6:27:35 GMT
i have not been watching but hearing what is going on so my predictions are going to be inaccurate OR baseless, I think so since I am reading into the situation from what I am hearing rather than seeing it for myself. So here goes nothing.
Keelin and Freya are together, happy, maybe in NOLA or away from there.
Hayley, Klaus and Hope leave NOLA together, dont know where. That smile is for Hope from Klaus. And I say this because Klaus said in the last episode "she goes were we go" as in her and Hayley coz Hayley wanted to talk to Klaus about Hope's future so I m assuming that he was referring to her and him and not the whole Mikaelson family. Again I heard and saw in gifset what Klaus said so I am not sure about the whole content. Maybe he meant the whole Mikaelson family.
Hope goes to the school.
Elijah goes to France or somewhere else. I am not so lucky for Elijah to die.
Rebekah and Marcel leave NOLA together as a couple.
Kol dies/sacrifice himself I think if not Elijah.
If Kol dies then Davina stays in NOLA with Freya and Vincent otherwise she leave with Kol.
Question from AJ..... why do you assume they (KHH) will move to MF? Was it mentioned in the series? Klaus letter to Caroline implies that he has not seen her. If he were in MF wouldnt he have met her but then again Alaric warned him away from MF so will he risk going there and cause havoc in their life? His character growth must have told him the importance of keeping danger away from kids.... He cannot and will not leave his child but he can keep others kids safe... Maybe he is living in MF or near MF to be near Hope but has not met Caroline and kids coz of what Alaric told him and with him realizing the danger he can pose to those kids. It is all so stupid if Hope goes to that school then sooner or later Caroline kids and other kids will face the music for spending time with Klaus Mikaelson daughter.
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Post by dstormborn on Jun 19, 2017 9:26:40 GMT
From the preview it appears they have to be separate??
Hope will move to Virginia, but will be aged up only for the potential X-men type spinoff backdoor pilot.
Hayley will give her up to avoid danger, just as Caroline did. JP is not that creative.
Becks will die since Claire can't even commit to lousy 13 episodes.
Marcel will die so the family can stay in NOLA.
Kol and Davina will die or move to France.
Keelin (sp?) will die to start Freya's Dark Willow arc.
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Post by daydreamer on Jun 19, 2017 12:03:17 GMT
It looks like splitting up the Hollow is what's gonna happen. I wonder if that means they can't Face Time.  I'm thinking it just means they can't be in each other's presence for too long. I don't care. Personally, I think Keelin will die just because of the whole "No one we love is safe in our orbit" theme. I really hope this doesn't mean that Davina will be back on a regular basis. At first, I thought Kol and Davina would have a nice honeymoon period before Kol felt guilty enough to return to help his family. Davina will be against it. They'll fight. He'll go. She'll follow and show up in the nick of time. Kol and Davina think they get their happy ending, only something happens and Davina dies. But now...I honestly don't know if Kol will reappear or not. And honestly, I really don't care. I see them dumping Hope in MF where she'll stay/live at the school. I don't see Klaus or the rest of them just accepting that they have this parasite within them now for eternity. Splitting up the Hollow and having a piece reside in them is a short-term solution in order to save/protect Hope. They won't just sit back and let it go. So I don't see Klaus staying MF. I see him making sure Hope is settled, then taking off to search for a way to destroy the Hollow (along with the rest of the siblings in separate corners of the world). I could be wrong, maybe he's grown/developed enough to let everyone else do the legwork while he picks up Hope from school and spends times with her. I can see Hayley going either way: staying in MF to protect/be there for Hope or heading out to once again save the Mikaelsons. I lean towards her staying in MF/nearby for Hope. Then again, if Hayley does stay in MF, they'll finally have to address her role in the death of her friends/hybrids and I'm pretty certain they don't want to taint Hayley with that action. After all the trouble they've gone to on TO NOT to address it. I don't care. The shocker would be if Marcel agrees to have a piece of the Hollow placed inside him and/or Marcel leaves NOLA to search for a way to destroy the Hollow. My immediate thought is that in order for the Hollow to be truly destroyed, they'll have to take a cure, rendering them human. Either that or Hope will save the day in 5x01 cause she's a badass teen witch now. OR they'll just do it off screen and start fresh with S5. |
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Post by daydreamer on Jun 19, 2017 12:12:29 GMT
From the preview it appears they have to be separate?? Hope will move to Virginia, but will be aged up only for the potential X-men type spinoff backdoor pilot. Hayley will give her up to avoid danger, just as Caroline did. JP is not that creative. Becks will die since Claire can't even commit to lousy 13 episodes. Marcel will die so the family can stay in NOLA. Kol and Davina will die or move to France. Honestly, at this point, I'm good with Beks dying. It's not fair and I hate saying it, but if they can't come up with anything better for her than making a fool of herself over Marcel - a guy who literally wanted to kill/thought he killed her brothers - then yeah, go ahead and let her sacrifice herself for the greater good. Side note: it pisses me off that they cry abuse when Elijah attacked Hayley in his mind, but Marcel legit wanted to kill/thought he killed her brothers and tortured another, but they have Rebekah begging him for the time of day. LOL |
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Post by daydreamer on Jun 19, 2017 12:21:07 GMT
Question from AJ..... why do you assume they (KHH) will move to MF? Was it mentioned in the series? Klaus letter to Caroline implies that he has not seen her. If he were in MF wouldnt he have met her but then again Alaric warned him away from MF so will he risk going there and cause havoc in their life? His character growth must have told him the importance of keeping danger away from kids.... He cannot and will not leave his child but he can keep others kids safe... Maybe he is living in MF or near MF to be near Hope but has not met Caroline and kids coz of what Alaric told him and with him realizing the danger he can pose to those kids. It is all so stupid if Hope goes to that school then sooner or later Caroline kids and other kids will face the music for spending time with Klaus Mikaelson daughter. There's been huge spoilers in the past week that Hope will attend school in MF. What we don't know is if Hope will stay/live at the school or if she'll just go there during the day and live at home with Hayley and/or Klaus in MF. Personally, I don't see Klaus settling in MF for 10 years and letting others do the legwork (searching for a way to destroy the Hollow for good). |
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Post by Madamimadam on Jun 19, 2017 13:52:01 GMT
From the preview it appears they have to be separate?? Hope will move to Virginia, but will be aged up only for the potential X-men type spinoff backdoor pilot. Hayley will give her up to avoid danger, just as Caroline did. JP is not that creative. Becks will die since Claire can't even commit to lousy 13 episodes. Marcel will die so the family can stay in NOLA. Kol and Davina will die or move to France. Keelin (sp?) will die to start Freya's Dark Willow arc. LOL you killed almost everyone except for the one that I WANT to see die... WHY do you hate me so much??? |
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Post by Madamimadam on Jun 19, 2017 13:54:26 GMT
Question from AJ..... why do you assume they (KHH) will move to MF? Was it mentioned in the series? Klaus letter to Caroline implies that he has not seen her. If he were in MF wouldnt he have met her but then again Alaric warned him away from MF so will he risk going there and cause havoc in their life? His character growth must have told him the importance of keeping danger away from kids.... He cannot and will not leave his child but he can keep others kids safe... Maybe he is living in MF or near MF to be near Hope but has not met Caroline and kids coz of what Alaric told him and with him realizing the danger he can pose to those kids. It is all so stupid if Hope goes to that school then sooner or later Caroline kids and other kids will face the music for spending time with Klaus Mikaelson daughter. There's been huge spoilers in the past week that Hope will attend school in MF. What we don't know is if Hope will stay/live at the school or if she'll just go there during the day and live at home with Hayley and/or Klaus in MF.
Personally, I don't see Klaus settling in MF for 10 years and letting others do the legwork (searching for a way to destroy the Hollow for good).
thanks.... as for bold part maybe maybe not . so since I have not watched it yet what will be the affect of this remaining hollow in the Mikaleson's body AJ and DStrom (since you are the ones watching lol)? |
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Post by AJ on Jun 19, 2017 20:03:58 GMT
My guesses are all based on a 15 second promo, but:
Vincent says he needs 4, which means Kol (and most likely Davina, so we can get that Davina/Marcel scene) is coming back. I'm speculating he will divide the Hollow into 4, make the Mikaelsons absorb it and then send them off. What I'm not clear on is if he will need them to stay in a fixed position for the Hollow to stay divided or if they can wander, as long as they stay a certain distance from each other.
Since she will be divided, her power will be weakened, but still a threat. The Originals (and probably Marcel, but I don't know if he'd take that on) would be the only things strong enough to hold her, but they can only do so when she's not at full power. Side effects may include bad dreams, evil voices in their heads or possibly a reduction in their own powers as the Hollow tries to use it to get stronger. I'm inclined to think, however, that Vincent breaking her into 4 is pretty specific, and aimed at keeping her at low enough power that letting her hosts roam wouldn't cause mayhem. I do also look for the Mikaelsons to try to find a way to kill what's supposed to be immortal.
Overall, I think the Hollow will be split into 4 (maybe 5 - I'm not counting on Marcel joining them, but I'm not 100% sure he won't) and the Originals scatter. Hope maybe goes to MF with Hayley. NOLA gets about 8 years of peace before we pick back up again.
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Post by Madamimadam on Jun 19, 2017 23:19:59 GMT
My guesses are all based on a 15 second promo, but: Vincent says he needs 4, which means Kol (and most likely Davina, so we can get that Davina/Marcel scene) is coming back. I'm speculating he will divide the Hollow into 4, make the Mikaelsons absorb it and then send them off. What I'm not clear on is if he will need them to stay in a fixed position for the Hollow to stay divided or if they can wander, as long as they stay a certain distance from each other. Since she will be divided, her power will be weakened, but still a threat. The Originals (and probably Marcel, but I don't know if he'd take that on) would be the only things strong enough to hold her, but they can only do so when she's not at full power. Side effects may include bad dreams, evil voices in their heads or possibly a reduction in their own powers as the Hollow tries to use it to get stronger. I'm inclined to think, however, that Vincent breaking her into 4 is pretty specific, and aimed at keeping her at low enough power that letting her hosts roam wouldn't cause mayhem. I do also look for the Mikaelsons to try to find a way to kill what's supposed to be immortal. Overall, I think the Hollow will be split into 4 (maybe 5 - I'm not counting on Marcel joining them, but I'm not 100% sure he won't) and the Originals scatter. Hope maybe goes to MF with Hayley. NOLA gets about 8 years of peace before we pick back up again. Will it go in Klaus too? Where is he going to go? |
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Post by Madamimadam on Jun 19, 2017 23:40:06 GMT
Elijah killed Marcel... Marcel retaliated. There is no comparison. Just simple, plane old tit for tat. Elijah started all this. Elijah, Hayley's lover, beat her without any provocation. it is bad regardless of his mind is broken or not OR it was in his mind. He was/is her lover. He should have better control on himself regarding her. He could have chosen not to beat her IN HIS MIND. But he did. If I were a therapist I would question why would he even beat her up in his mind, he loves her for GOD sake? Beating her in his mind also points to something else... some sort of repressed feelings, I think. He chose his worst memories to hide behind rather than selected some of the good times he spend with HER and his siblings but no he chose that red door. That choice of his hurt Hayley most. I am not sure why Rebekah begged Marcel but she knows deep down her brother wronged Marcel by actually KILLING him in the first place. Every one knows that Elijah messed up in what he did, even Elijah. This whole season is about how messed up his priorities are.
Marcel "abusing" Elijah and KOL is not same as what Elijah did to Hayley, her lover. Also dont forget this is all a stand for feminism when these two shows are nothing but abuse regardless of the gender on which it is done.
What I dont get is that why the hell did the writers have to take this particular route to break them up? What Hayley said in 411 about her falling for the image of Elijah is so right and we have been saying that all along. SO why did they have to do the abuse route with her... Why didnt they show Elijah abusing some other poor fellow rather than doing it on Hayley? Would Elijah have abused Hayley before s4? I would have liked their break u more if Hayley had broken up with him on the convo she had with Jack. That was on point. This beating her up came out of blue and forced IMO.
Also we should remember while talking about Rebekah not getting any story that it was Clair's decision to leave the show in s1 and then she never wanted to come back for more than ONE handful of episodes. Why would the writers invest in the story involving her when she does not want to come back? I think them giving her ANYTHING at this point is giving her more than what she deserves tbh. Yes they should write her off... if JP has guts to do so.
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Post by daydreamer on Jun 21, 2017 0:21:16 GMT
Elijah killed Marcel... Marcel retaliated. There is no comparison. Just simple, plane old tit for tat. Elijah started all this. Elijah, Hayley's lover, beat her without any provocation. it is bad regardless of his mind is broken or not OR it was in his mind. He was/is her lover. He should have better control on himself regarding her. He could have chosen not to beat her IN HIS MIND. But he did. If I were a therapist I would question why would he even beat her up in his mind, he loves her for GOD sake? Beating her in his mind also points to something else... some sort of repressed feelings, I think. He chose his worst memories to hide behind rather than selected some of the good times he spend with HER and his siblings but no he chose that red door. That choice of his hurt Hayley most. I am not sure why Rebekah begged Marcel but she knows deep down her brother wronged Marcel by actually KILLING him in the first place. Every one knows that Elijah messed up in what he did, even Elijah. This whole season is about how messed up his priorities are. Marcel "abusing" Elijah and KOL is not same as what Elijah did to Hayley, her lover. Also dont forget this is all a stand for feminism when these two shows are nothing but abuse regardless of the gender on which it is done. What I dont get is that why the hell did the writers have to take this particular route to break them up? What Hayley said in 411 about her falling for the image of Elijah is so right and we have been saying that all along. SO why did they have to do the abuse route with her... Why didnt they show Elijah abusing some other poor fellow rather than doing it on Hayley? Would Elijah have abused Hayley before s4? I would have liked their break u more if Hayley had broken up with him on the convo she had with Jack. That was on point. This beating her up came out of blue and forced IMO. I'm not going to get into a huge discussion about this - I haven't seen the episode (and unless you recently watched it, you admitted you hadn't seen it either). I'll just point that that according to what I heard, Elijah didn't know/recognize Hayley. He was in his worst memories (and I'm wondering how much choice he had in that, but that's a debate for another day and for viewers who actually watched) and didn't recognize her and saw her as another threat. That said, I also understand that Hayley herself admitted she wasn't perfect either. My understanding is a little fuzzy here, but from what I gather, Hayley broke up with Elijah not (entirely) because of what happened in Elijah's mind prison, but because she wants to set a better example for Hope. She doesn't want Hope to think that accepting a monster is a good thing...? Sure, it makes sense. But once again, the writers failed to convey the message shown on-screen and had to take to Twitter to explain and defend. Carina got so angry when fans started calling BS. They always get angry when viewers don't stand behind Hayley - which goes back to what I've always said: no one watches this show to root for Hayley. And that's something they (the writers) have never wanted to understand. I have the opposite view: because they only have Claire for a handful of episodes, they should do everything in their power to make her story compelling, empowering, and interesting. Not reduce her to witty and/or petty one-liners and pathetic love interest. I'm glad she left; these writers have proven time and again that they really don't know what to do with female characters. They place all their effort/attention on Hayley. |
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Post by AJ on Jun 21, 2017 1:40:51 GMT
Elijah didn't recognize Hayley until Hope used magic to call to her mom, proving that not even Hayley can overrule his base instincts as a vampire. It's also really telling that he hid behind the red door instead of in a happy memory. I think that if it were Klaus wandering Elijah's mind, he'd go to the red door first. But he knows his brother better than Miss "I'm closer to Elijah than anyone".
It does seem that Hayley's avoiding Elijah has more to do with her belief that Hope needs to learn not to accept violence and death as natural. She also doesn't seem to know what to say to him. Agree that the writers love Hayley more than the fans do. I feel like I need to be following the execs on Twitter, it seems I miss a lot.
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Post by AJ on Jun 21, 2017 1:42:55 GMT
Will it go in Klaus too? Where is he going to go? No idea, but there's a possibility wherever he goes, it won't be with Hope. Almost certainly not with any of his vampire siblings. Synopsis hints that Freya goes off on her own as well, so we'll have to wait and see. |
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I'm thinking it just means they can't be in each other's presence for too long.