TO narrative is being questioned!

Same. It was pretty hurtful and bad speech but yeah I didnt see it a racism. I saw it him putting bloodline over any other relationship. I saw narrative saying/ proving that blood is thicker than water. This is now the third time Elijah has hurt Marcel (his adopted nephew) for his brother. First time when he did that he even saw Marcel as his son, as his family member but Klaus and his redemption was still more important to him than Marcel's welfare. I saw him putting burden of Klaus not still able to redeem himself on Marcel and now putting on Hope. I saw him giving Marcel this impression that I never saw you anything other than my brother's redemption. I never saw you as someone whose welfare was important to me. But like I said in another post on another thread, a person from same race or even Marcel after such kind of treatment might see it as racism because of years and years of inferiority complex put on him by the society. 







I think race did/ does matter esp for these vampires coz of the general attitude towards other races. I am not sure how much of them being everywhere would have made a difference but I am pretty sure that although individual acceptance does matter but social acceptance of a particular race and choices people make, that make a much bigger difference. Yeah I remember the bold part. But the thing is that in that era( 1700's) a black slave kid adopted by a white family and treated nicely as their own, I imagine, should have been a big deal. But that was never touched upon. The general attitude of people seeing them adopting Marcel has never been touched upon. "Savior" could mean that Marcel was implying that OR it could simply mean that he saved another human being from being beaten to death by his abusive father, from a life of misery. He does have inferiority complex, again something I mentioned before. Now that inferiority complex could have come from Mikaelson putting each other on anything else OR it could have come from his race like you have mentioned. Marcel does know that Klaus loves him but will never be his equal. Why? because of Klaus attitude towards him OR his own complexities. I mean he saw how Elijah treated him AND then I saw Klaus treating him in 321 and 405. He did put "his family" over Marcel. Doesnt matter he cried over marcel's death or he didnt kill him in 405 by his own choice. At the end of the day he did say that "his family is not safe until Marcel is taken care of..." It could be he was talking under the influence of Hollow but in my experience if someone says something under an influence that thing was always there but in suppressed form and dont forget their dialogues on 321 on that bridge. Klaus talked about marcel and his family as different entities. 

I thought it was hollow too at first and I asked about that too but then I realized no.

Elijah cried,  yes. Understandable. After all they do have a history and he just killed someone whom Elijah himself once saw as son or his brother still sees as a son. Maybe there is some guilt somewhere buried deep down there and we might or might not see in the narrative anymore. I am of thought that Elijah is/was more scared of Klaus reaction on killing Marcel. He does not want to lose his brother's love for him. They are freakishly co-dependent.

I theorized the bold part in my thoughts about 405. 

You are not way off. I have come to the same conclusion. I think I mentioned that too in the other thread

Elijah essentially threatened Marcel saying "if you are danger to my family aka basically Klaus then I will not be stopped from killing you coz my brother wouldnt since you are his weakness. He will never kill you unlike me who did when I had to make that choice."

And hence the reason, maybe, for Marcel to be scared of Elijah: Marcel was after-all hallucinating about Elijah as an affect of Hollow. Marcel knows Elijah is more dangerous than Klaus. Marcel knows that Elijah does not see him as family so if time times Elijah will sacrifice him for his real family (blood relatives). 

Excellent point for discussion.

There are multiple theories of why Klaus reacted that way. Klaus was very cruel to Hayley in that scene but if you think about who Klaus is then you would realize that his first thought that the witches were trapping him by telling him a lie fits his character. There were unshed tears in his eyes when he heard the baby's heartbeat and you can see wonder in his eyes but could he be sure that the baby was his? Would anyone be in his position so now that I think about it, although he was very cruel I am not surprised why he said those words. In fact Elijah taking words of a witch he has just met and hearing and believing that story (imagine a hybrid having a baby and that nature loop hole) at once was not really realistic. Anyways .... I also think that Klaus first instinct is to protect himself from getting hurt and for that he wouldnt attach himself to something that can hurt him. It took him damn some months to warm up to Hayley and the baby. In that instant he was scared and he wanted to say something hurtful to protect himself.

Elijah on the other hand was ready to protect his unborn niece from the instant he believed that she was his blood relative, the brother whom he is obsessed about 's child, the woman who instantly enchanted him 's child. I had forgotten that sentence but now that I think about it, you are right. Elijah chose his unborn nephew/ niece over Marcel. He chose. Why? Coz when Elijah chose Hayley in s2 over Klaus when he daggered Klaus. Marcel was more of a family than Hayley at that point. I mean yes she is mother of his niece and he loved her back then too but they didnt have any history not to mention that he didnt see Hayley as family in s2 so why did he chose her over Klaus, his blood relative? I mean I get it why he did that (coz of his personal feelings and coz of Hope) but then why not marcel too coz of Klaus? That boils down to the question of combination of "blood relationship", personal feelings and CHOICE.

Narrative wants us to believe that Elijah would do anything for his family, for their betterment/ protect them. He did that daggering coz he thought Hope was better off with her mother away from Klaus but now we are to believe that he sees Hope as catalyst to Klaus's redemption? Where was his love/ redemption desire for Klaus at that time? Coz it was there in s1 IIRC. Now Elijah is threatening Marcel once again and we are to believe that he is doing that to protect his family OR for Klaus OR for Hope OR for Hayley? 

LOL I love discussing all this. Everything is so interesting. We would never know what really is going on in Elijah's head if it were not for interviews and twitter. The narrative hardly discusses it, shows it. 




Marcel DID do that. He didnt let them now that he was alive but did he know that they thought that he had died? Did he know where they had gone? He wanted to get rid of them at that time coz he and Rebekah wanted to be together but Rebekah ran with her brothers. Did he plan to be king of NOLA when he invited MIkeal to town? I dont think so. Mikael coming to town did end up to his advantage but not what he had wanted. IIRC Klaus wanted to stay behind for Marcel but Elijah told him to run with Rebekah. I could be wrong. Is there even a question that Elijah sees Hope more of a family than he ever saw Marcel, I mean ever since she has been born? Elijah and Klaus has been hostile towards Marcel ever since they have put their steps in NOLA. They were angry that he had taken over "their" town and their home and it is understandable too and If I am not wrong, they were jealous of how successfully he was being a king. But if they didnt come back for whatever reason should Marcel have let the town rot? Mikaelson were like "we will take our town back" since first scene of s1, since they found out Marcel had taken over. 

The events of 1914, was it or 1919?, and 101 tell me that Marcel relationship with Klaus has been of a son who had been suppressed by his father far too long. He wants to escape but the father is not willing to let go. the child had to take matters in his hand however wrong they were. 

The bold part...I think, they already addressed that in 101 when Elijah chose Hope over Marcel. 

I agree with everything esp the bold part. But "outsider" does not necessarily mean race in Marcel's eyes. It could but not necessarily. "Outsider" as per narrative, so far means not born in Mikaelson family, not blood. IIRC Marcel even said that about Klaus and Elijah and how sh*** they treat anyone who is not a Mikealson. I am assuming he meant blood relatives. 

Marcel is very much like Klaus when I think he wants (ed) to be like Elijah. He admires Elijah more than Klaus and he has been disappointed by Elijah more. I hope that Marcel AND klaus both come to express their feelings for each other in future episodes. I am to this day upset at why they cut of Marcel and Klaus scene in s1. We get to see Haylijah and Elijah's denial and their plans to set up home and let Klaus be a visitor and not something beautiful like that?!

I dont think you are overthinking. I think this is a deep issue which has just come to light more coz of Elijah's speech. And it is not just a particular race who noticed that. One of my good friend is a white and she was one of firsts who noticed that. I am not black but I am looking at narrative and wondering too. yes they have made Marcel and Vincent two main characters of this show but not really discussed something which was introduced in s1. Why did they have to introduce a black slave kid to be adopted by Klaus in the first place? I mean Klaus's humanity could have been shown by him adopting a white suffering kid too? The fact that this topic has never been really touched in this show makes me wonder. Not to mention the other issue the narrative is proving is that adopted kids are less important than blood born which again is a very real life issue. 

I dont know I never got the racism feeling from the narrative before but yeah discrimination and "better" blood has been shown many times. But not sure anymore. I am not sold arguments who say racism does not exist whether it be in real life or in fiction.