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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 30, 2018 4:03:21 GMT
Watched it today with the kids and I loved loved the movie. They killed a few of my favorites. Loki.... really  and at the start of the movie. Vision I knew would die coz of the stone. All those people who turned into dust (?) died too, I am assuming. My question is how did Thanos decide who will die or was it just random? Also what did Dr.Strange mean when he said to Iron man "there was no other way?" Nik fury died... Hate them. OH and Barn really? I was looking forward to seeing him being a part of team. very sad here. Thor's new ax is amazing. We are back to our original Avenger's team, right? Any guess who did Nick send the message too? Hawkeye? |
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Post by AJ on Apr 30, 2018 22:05:01 GMT
It seemed like it was pretty random who bit the dust at the end. But I'm 98% sure they won't stay that way, because there's supposed to be a third Guardians of the Galaxy movie, which can't happen if Rocket is the only one still around. I also don't think Loki is truly dead, I think he managed to pull some trickster on Thanos and is in the shadows.
Dr. Strange said he'd been to 14 MILLION alternate futures, trying to find how to beat Thanos, and that only ONE ended that way. I think that's why he gave Thanos the Time stone, because that's the only way to ultimately beat him. What I'm wondering if if the stones are dead now. They're supposed to be linked to the universe itself, so maybe they're reborn and the damage can be undone?
Pretty sure Nick's message went to Captain Marvel (who's getting her own movie in between now and the next Avengers).
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Post by Madamimadam on May 1, 2018 0:04:11 GMT
It seemed like it was pretty random who bit the dust at the end. But I'm 98% sure they won't stay that way, because there's supposed to be a third Guardians of the Galaxy movie, which can't happen if Rocket is the only one still around. I also don't think Loki is truly dead, I think he managed to pull some trickster on Thanos and is in the shadows. Dr. Strange said he'd been to 14 MILLION alternate futures, trying to find how to beat Thanos, and that only ONE ended that way. I think that's why he gave Thanos the Time stone, because that's the only way to ultimately beat him. What I'm wondering if if the stones are dead now. They're supposed to be linked to the universe itself, so maybe they're reborn and the damage can be undone? Pretty sure Nick's message went to Captain Marvel (who's getting her own movie in between now and the next Avengers). Thanos said there was no coming back when Loki died. I think he is gone for good but maybe he pulled something off. A lot of characters who perished in this movie are mentioned in the credit for Avenger part 2. I am not sure how much of that is reliable. One of my theories is that they have died but somehow if they can use the time stone (read below) again, they can bring back all those people, maybe? That makes sense. To make his choice more touching, I am thinking his sacrifice (his own death... he should have seen that coming if he saw that future, right?) should be real. Does it make sense what I am saying. From what I recall, the looked damaged/ dead. Could they be undamaged somehow? Maybe if somehow that time stone could be saved. What do you mean by bold part? The universe is continuing to exist minus a few million people so how can the stone be reborn? Where did he get the hand from, I cannot recall? I saw a gif on twitter in-which Helena is knocking off the hand of glory(?) off a pedestal. I dont remember that part but I do seem to recall there were many relics in Odin's underground dungeon. Was there a hand among them? Is Thanos hand the same? OR was that gif fan made? Who is caption Marvel? BTW have you seen black panther? I havnt. Is it any good? My son wants to watch it. |
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Post by AJ on May 1, 2018 5:45:21 GMT
I meant that the movie says that the stones are representative of the universe itself (time, power, soul, space, reality, mind). I'm wondering if that means the universe kind of depends on their existence, and now that they're damaged/destroyed that the universe will start failing. Or maybe they'll just kind of reincarnate; maybe the stones are the cornerstone of existence.
He got the glove from the same place Thor got his hammer, where they went to make Thor's new hammer. Thanos essentially forced them to make it, and then killed all but one. There was a copy of the glove in Odin's collection, she says it's a fake in Ragnorak.
I don't know much on Captain Marvel, except she's supposed to be extremely powerful. All I know about her is that she was exposed to alien tech and became powerful, and that the movie is set in the 90s and Nick Fury has kept her hidden.
I have seen Black Panther, and highly recommend it.
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Post by daydreamer on May 5, 2018 19:13:11 GMT
Please go see Black Panther - it is amazing. A great, well-done movie.
I just got back home after watching Infinity War. I am an absolute wreck. Feeling numb and hollow.
I'm not sure if the stones are destroyed or not. My husband's theory is they're going to bring in the character, Adam Warlock, to defeat Thanos. He's supposed to be super-mega powerful and in the comics, that's the route they take. "Adam" was born/mentioned in the end credits of GotG2.
I"m pissed about Bucky. Black Panther. Groot. God damn it, my feels can't go through another Groot death! Fury. Hill. Gamora. Falcoln. Mantis. Drax. Spidey!! And I am super, super, super pissed that Heimdall (gatekeeper of Asgard) is dead. I loved him.
I didn't know I needed a Bucky and Rocket team-up until that moment - and now Bucky is gone.
I think in the end, they'll return. It was random. Thanos didn't care who lived and who died; he didn't choose.
Loki...I'm not 100% sure where I fall on that one. I think he's dead-dead. And even if they reverse the effects of Thanos' actions with the stones, Loki was killed before the stones, so I think he would remain dead. As would anyone who died prior to the moment Thanos killed half of humanity with the full power of the stones. Does that make sense?
And I don't care about Vision or Scarlett Witch. They work in the comics, but not on film. It's because there was just no on-screen development between the two. And I'm pissed they severely dampened Scarlett Witch's powers. She's super-mega powerful in the comics - she can snap her fingers and adjust reality to whatever she wants. I get why they dampened her down, but still.
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Post by AJ on May 6, 2018 2:02:24 GMT
My theory about Loki is that he got tipped off. He was offscreen at one point, before re-entering and offering to be a tour guide to Earth to get the two stones there. So he had time to do *something*. I'm basing this mostly off of Tom Hiddleston being credited in the next one, so I'm fairly sure Loki will show up in some capacity. He's faked his death before and he can control things from a long way away (see the Destroyer in the first movie). He may have been able to escape. His line about the sun shining again was a pretty big flashing sign that he had something up his sleeve.
But Bucky, oh man. That hurt. He and Steve have known so little happiness that I nearly lost my shit, yo.
Yeah, I get what you mean. I always get irritated at time travel storylines as they're so often done without much thought, and I'm hoping they're not gonna just undo all the previous movies like X-men recently did.
Did anyone have thoughts on Thanos's plan? In the comics, he apparently wanted the stones so he could meet Death, but this felt like a political/social commentary. I get his point, but damn.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 6, 2018 2:26:47 GMT
They could easily have defeated Thanos if only Ant man was there to help them. where was he btw? He was mentioned iIRC. I want to discuss on this further but have guest coming over so will discuss later.
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Post by Daydreamer47 on May 6, 2018 2:45:52 GMT
They could easily have defeated Thanos if only Ant man was there to help them. where was he btw? He was mentioned iIRC. I want to discuss on this further but have guest coming over so will discuss later. How do you figure Ant Man could have helped? I'm sorry, I just can't take AntMan seriously... |
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Post by AJ on May 6, 2018 3:45:30 GMT
Ant-Man and Hawkeye were both under house arrest, they got a plea deal on account of them having families. I understand the upcoming Ant-man movie will have mentions of things happening in Infinity War, it's supposed to happen right around the same time.
Haven't seen his movie yet, but based on his appearance in Civil War, I'm not sure how he could have helped against Thanos, so am waiting for you to come back!
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Post by daydreamer on May 6, 2018 17:41:35 GMT
Did anyone have thoughts on Thanos's plan? In the comics, he apparently wanted the stones so he could meet Death, but this felt like a political/social commentary. I get his point, but damn. In the comics, Thanos was infatuated/in love with Mistress Death (not Thor's sister. Thor's sister was Goddess of Death) and wanted to impress her. He first met her when he annihilated everyone on his home planet and neighboring planet. She indicated that she would like to see more of that. The film seems to have veered away from that particular portion of the story. Although Hubs argued that Mistress Death did appear as little Gamora after Thanos succeeded. Personally, I think they're veering away from that storyline. Thanos just wanted to restore balance to the universe and he believed he was the only one with the will strong enough to do it. He seemed happy in the end, even though he was alone, and restored his home planet to what it once was. |
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Post by Madamimadam on May 6, 2018 18:24:30 GMT
Ant-Man and Hawkeye were both under house arrest, they got a plea deal on account of them having families. I understand the upcoming Ant-man movie will have mentions of things happening in Infinity War, it's supposed to happen right around the same time. Haven't seen his movie yet, but based on his appearance in Civil War, I'm not sure how he could have helped against Thanos, so am waiting for you to come back! So in Civil War he didnt have a huge part to play but I think his size could have helped our team defeat Thanos. Yes, you read it right, I said our team lol. So much strength jammed packed in small being who is almost invisible to naked eye would have helped. OH and dont forget he could also enlarge himself too just like in Civil War. Also he can go to subatomic level too, gone into Thanos's brain somehow. Granted that there is a huge possibility that he will never come back from that but maybe he would have been willing to sacrifice himself for greater good. If they had gotten to Thanos before he got the time stone, Ant-man's presence would definitely have made a difference. Of course it would have been a joined effort but would have made a marginal difference. Remember our team were almost able to capture Thanos until Peter(?, the guy from Guardian of galaxy) got emotional after finding out about Gamura (sp?) death. They lost control of Thanos because Peter(?)'s punch made Nabula(?) hold on him. The very fact that he was not in this movie seems suspicious to me; a contrived way to give the movie a plot. It is not like his powers are to look down upon. The military wanted to use his powers to make weapon to be used in wars just like Ironman's suit was desired to be used. Ant-man unlike Ironman is not a suit, it is his own physical being that alters which makes him more superhero-ish than Ironman IMO. You should watch Ant-man. Maybe it will give a better understanding of what I am trying to say. Then of course I could be wrong lol but I dont think so. He is in the second part of the movie. Why are they bring him now? Perhaps because he can help? I can understand why would people not take Ant-man seriously lol. He does come off goofy. If you watch his movie, maybe a better understanding of his character. He is just a non-serious guy who was selected for his "job". I like his attitude. He is not carrying the weight of world on his shoulder while doing his "job". As for your first question, I answered above. Oh I might be the only person who watches these movies but have never read comics so I dont know their history or where the story is coming from. I only base my theories on what I see in movies so i find it very fascinated if anything deviates from the comic. Thanos's has a GOD complex IMO like millions of other villains we have seen. DId he even love Gamora; the sacrifice he made? Thanks for recommending Black Panther both of you. I should go and watch before it is off screen. |
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Post by AJ on May 7, 2018 0:50:32 GMT
I haven't read any of the comics, but I've read various articles about plot summaries and how they may come into play in the movies. Or how they're entirely different.
Thanos DID love Gamora, that's why he had to sacrifice her to get the Soul stone. Red Skull comments that it's not himself Thanos is crying for - he realized he had to sacrifice her to get it.
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Post by daydreamer on May 7, 2018 1:21:41 GMT
I did see Ant-Man and will go see the second one as well. I enjoyed it for what it was: a good fun popcorn movie. And Hubs - Hubs loves the less popular ones: Dr. Strange (omg, IDC if Benedict Cumberbatch was in it, it was way too cerebral for me), Ant-Man.
Ant-Man's strength wouldn't have defeated Thanos. Even with only 1 (or was it 2) stones, Thanos easily defeated Hulk. That's why Hulk wouldn't come out (or they ran out of money for the CGI, LOL) - he was scared of Thanos. Hulk is used to be THE strongest being and he's never met anyone he couldn't defeat. Hulk and Banner are becoming two entities; I'm really interested in seeing where their story goes.
Now, Ant-Man at the smaller level - I'll admit maybe something could have been done there. But TBH, the movie was so overcrowded as is.
And I do believe it is Ant-Man's suit that allows him to go small or big - it's not the man himself.
Red Skull - when he showed up on screen, I silently mouthed, "Oh, who the **** is this now?!" and Hubs had to lean over and tell me. Then I was like, "Why/how the **** did Red Skull end up there?! That was a bajillion movies ago! How am I supposed to remember this ****!??!" LOL
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Post by AJ on May 7, 2018 4:56:30 GMT
Right? If I hadn't known he'd be showing up, I'd have been "This asshole vamoosed 16 movies ago!"
I like that they're separating Hulk from Banner, but I wonder if they waited too long to do it. The next Avengers will be the last for a lot of currents (like Cap and Thor), so maybe they'll convince Mark Ruffalo to keep on keepin' on and he'll get development. Right now there's too many people, it was kind of annoying because some characters only got a few lines.
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and at the start of the movie. Vision I knew would die coz of the stone. 
