Vincent speech to elijah

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Vincent speech to elijah May 9, 2017 16:36:19 GMT

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Post by Madamimadam on May 9, 2017 16:36:19 GMT

Okay so I have been thinking a lot of about what Vicet said to Elijah. I see the gif and the kudos of it everyday on my twitter lol.

What do you all think about it?

I mean I know what he meant and why he was angry. Elijah deserved that. You cannot keep on sacrificing everyone for your family sake. Have to draw a line but that expectation is unrealistic IMO.

Vincent said that he is going to pray for that little girl soul coz he (Elijah) has none. I disagree. I think he does have a soul but his family aka Hope right now is more important to him than the soul he has. If we go by what Vincent said then that means that neither does Klaus have a soul. We have seen him kill without remorse so many times. What about Hayley? She has done the same thing multiple times. So does that mean that they dont deserve to have a child in their life? Monsters cannot be parents? GOD even gave animals, who can be monsters when threaten, ability to have kids.

What Elijah did was terrible. What he did to Marcel was terrible. But we all know why Elijah is doing that. For his family. The definition of family keeps changing every episode but the bottom line is that he does everything for his family. This is a huge burden he is carrying. He can let it go but he cannot because it is ingrained in him. When did it develop? I dont know coz it was not there when they were human. But it did develop later and he is honoring it.

I think having a child in your life should change you. You want to become a role model for that child which is what Mikaelson will never be. Klaus and Hayley are not trying but Elijah is not which is I think what Vincent was trying to say. Right?

Yes, strange that I am sort of defending Elijah, I know. I really hate him but I felt bad for him in the previous episode even though I was so angry at him.

What do you think? I want to know what you think about what Vincent said to Elijah. Did he deserve it? Was Vincent right? Do you think Elijah does not care when he kills right and left for his family OR it is another mask he has put on himself to protect himself?

On that note can someone tell me why cant they just leave NOLA? Will the Hollow follow them somewhere else too?

I am in a hurry, have to leave so probably a lot of typos. I hope I was able to convey what I wanted to say and you guys understood lOL. Looking forward to reading what you thought...

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Vincent speech to elijah May 9, 2017 20:59:00 GMT

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Post by AJ on May 9, 2017 20:59:00 GMT

Traditionally, vampires have been soulless. While TVD/TO hasn't gone that route, I think Elijah saying he doesn't really remember being human is about the same as saying he's lost his soul. His actions this past episode prove (to me) that he's lost empathy and he outright said he's done with reasoning (which would have told him what he was gonna do was a tremendously dangerous idea). He's not making logical decisions, and that could put his family in more danger. But he's not seeing that because it's all about the immediate threat. Elijah used to be able to think many steps ahead, and now he's just acting like a bulldozer running over everything.

I disagree that he didn't have the burden of family as a human. Mikael was very much about teaching his sons to protect the family. Elijah just inherited that as a vampire, as Finn wasn't really looked up to as the eldest brother. I believe Bex and Kol admitted as much, that they always looked to Elijah to lead, even before Finn was in the box.

I've been wondering for three episodes now why the Originals don't just pack up and move to another continent. But the odds are, without them there, the Hollow will eventually come back to life and cause hell for everyone, so I guess they might as well stay put and work to keep that from happening. I'm still waiting on the backstory of what or who the Hollow actually is.

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Vincent speech to elijah May 9, 2017 21:50:12 GMT

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Post by Madamimadam on May 9, 2017 21:50:12 GMT

May 9, 2017 20:59:00 GMT AJ said:

Traditionally, vampires have been soulless. While TVD/TO hasn't gone that route, I think Elijah saying he doesn't really remember being human is about the same as saying he's lost his soul. His actions this past episode prove (to me) that he's lost empathy and he outright said he's done with reasoning (which would have told him what he was gonna do was a tremendously dangerous idea). He's not making logical decisions, and that could put his family in more danger. But he's not seeing that because it's all about the immediate threat. Elijah used to be able to think many steps ahead, and now he's just acting like a bulldozer running over everything.

I disagree that he didn't have the burden of family as a human. Mikael was very much about teaching his sons to protect the family. Elijah just inherited that as a vampire, as Finn wasn't really looked up to as the eldest brother. I believe Bex and Kol admitted as much, that they always looked to Elijah to lead, even before Finn was in the box.

I've been wondering for three episodes now why the Originals don't just pack up and move to another continent. But the odds are, without them there, the Hollow will eventually come back to life and cause hell for everyone, so I guess they might as well stay put and work to keep that from happening. I'm still waiting on the backstory of what or who the Hollow actually is.

I thought/think Vincent was using the word soul metaphorically as in presence of empathy and values/ virtues which is what soul represent. That is why we often hear that bad/ evil people dont have souls which is of course wrong coz they do have souls but their soul is dark. But yes you are right Vampires dont have souls and hence I think Vicnet was not talking literally. I am sure as a witch he would know that vampires dont have souls. that particular taunt(?) from Vincent was showing Elijah in particular what sort of person he has become, not the whole specie of vampires.

Elijah saying that he does not remember being human was him goading/ putting on an indifference face for Vincent. His expressions are screaming that he does remember and how it hurts to hear people think about him like that but he will not reveal that to others coz that will mean he is weak/ not proud.

It pains me to defend Elijah but I think that although terrible, the slaughter was not an illogical decision. Elijah IIRC realized that they need ancestors to stop the Hollow so he did the ritual to reestablish the link. At least that is what I understood otherwise why was he doing the ritual? I think he was pretty sure that Vincent would be able to bring them back and that is why he killed the girls. When Vincent told him WHY he couldnt bring the girls back Elijah looked shocked for a moment and then he got a grip on himself and "encouraged" Vincent that he can do it.

Elijah has come to terms with killing whatever is left in him (humanity, decency, morals, values, virtues) in order to save Klaus from killing whatever is left in him. And he will say and do anything that will serve his purpose. He is past maintaining a good image of him.

The vampire Elijah carries the burden that he was not able to protect his human brother Klaus. I think Elijah when became invisible he did what he couldn't when he was human: protect his siblings. When they were human they were all afraid of Mikael but once they become vampire and away from Mikael he realized that now he can so he started to honor that rule which he wanted to do when they were human. His overbearing attitude is his way of making up for when he could when he should have. The problem I have with Elijah is that his intentions are good but the motivation for them changes episode to episode. First three season it was Hope and Hayley but now he has decided that he is doing it for Klaus too since Hayley thinks that Hope needs her father.

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Vincent speech to elijah May 10, 2017 7:40:13 GMT

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Post by dstormborn on May 10, 2017 7:40:13 GMT

Vincent was pissed bc Elijah basically forced him to reestablish the link to the ancestors. In this 'verse vampires do have a souls so Vincent was just trying to hurt E's feelings with his whining bc he was put under pressure.
I might be the only one here but I still think Elijah did the right thing. The hollow is a big threat also to witch lives.
And we all know Vincent would have said no if someone had ask him to do the ritual. He's no good under pressure; a lot of people aren't. Making an unpopular teen head witch in charge is another example.

Last Edit: May 10, 2017 7:40:38 GMT by dstormborn

Post by Madamimadam on May 9, 2017 16:36:19 GMT

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Post by dstormborn on May 10, 2017 7:40:13 GMT

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