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Post by Allison on May 9, 2017 6:36:56 GMT
The Originals- 4.08 Voodoo in my Blood
After being summoned by the ancestors, Hayley and Klaus travel to the ancestral world and come face to face with Davina, Klaus' former foe and the one person who holds the secrets to The Hollow's demise. Meanwhile, old wounds are re-opened when Elijah and Marcel are forced into an uneasy alliance. Together, they meet with Alaric who has tracked down a crucial artifact that could help in their fight against The Hollow.
This episode sounds amazing but frell, I want to punch Elijah in the face at the moment when it comes to Marcel and how it applies to Hope and how he'll sacrifice everyone and force the weight of redemption on Klaus's children.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 9, 2017 21:57:57 GMT
The Originals- 4.08 Voodoo in my Blood After being summoned by the ancestors, Hayley and Klaus travel to the ancestral world and come face to face with Davina, Klaus' former foe and the one person who holds the secrets to The Hollow's demise. Meanwhile, old wounds are re-opened when Elijah and Marcel are forced into an uneasy alliance. Together, they meet with Alaric who has tracked down a crucial artifact that could help in their fight against The Hollow.
This episode sounds amazing but frell, I want to punch Elijah in the face at the moment when it comes to Marcel and how it applies to Hope and how he'll sacrifice everyone and force the weight of redemption on Klaus's children. Sounds interesting. I dont think Davina is coming back permanently unlike the popular belief. I wonder why Klaus and Hayley went there. Is it because they were the only one who were against getting Davina killed so the others thought she might help them but not Freya and Elijah? I am not sure how Hayley is the weakness but I am starting to think that Hayley's parent's were not the real target. Hayley is the HP of TO. The witches tried to kill Hayley in s1 and in fact killed her after taking her baby whom they too wanted to sacrifice. I think and it will be interesting if that ties up to what Hollow wants right now or why it killed Hayley's parents in 1992. Elijah putting the weight of Klaus's redemption on his kids makes me very mad. Elijah needs to grow up and realize that Klaus needs to become better person for himself because of himself not for Hope or Marcel or anyone else. Elijah's treatment of Marcel was nauseating. I will hate if Marcel forgives Elijah easily. Uneasy alliance, yeah right. I wouldnt be surprised if they dont forget that uneasy part after one episode.
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Post by dstormborn on May 10, 2017 7:50:22 GMT
I still can't believe Alaric is the one coming. I'd prefer someone blonder for some comic relieve.
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Post by AJ on May 13, 2017 2:37:46 GMT
Well, we now have the origin of werewolves. Also, Hope be scary when it comes to defending her family. That ending, though.
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Post by Ari on May 13, 2017 18:59:49 GMT
Huzzah! I really liked this episode.
I've always loved Alaric. He was like a breath of fresh air on this show, and I thought he blended in really well with the rest of the cast. I felt the same way when Stefan crossed over last season. I kind of wish that it had been touched upon how he was also an "Original" (put into quotes because he's not part of the original family, obviously) for a time. Could've made for an interesting conversation between him and Marcel.
A little confused about the timeline - did this episode happen before or after Klaus sent the donation to their school in the TVD finale?
Hope's show of power gave me chills. Still don't like Davina - Elijah offered to be the sacrifice, but she was still going to force Klaus to do it. I don't get it. He wasn't the one who killed her (Kol), and he wasn't the one who made the call to send her back to the ancestral plane (Elijah/Freya). After breaking his sire line, what more does she want from him? His death? Then what?
Good stuff.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 13, 2017 19:43:09 GMT
Huzzah! I really liked this episode. I've always loved Alaric. He was like a breath of fresh air on this show, and I thought he blended in really well with the rest of the cast. I felt the same way when Stefan crossed over last season. I kind of wish that it had been touched upon how he was also an "Original" (put into quotes because he's not part of the original family, obviously) for a time. Could've made for an interesting conversation between him and Marcel. A little confused about the timeline - did this episode happen before or after Klaus sent the donation to their school in the TVD finale? Hope's show of power gave me chills. Still don't like Davina - Elijah offered to be the sacrifice, but she was still going to force Klaus to do it. I don't get it. He wasn't the one who killed her (Kol), and he wasn't the one who made the call to send her back to the ancestral plane (Elijah/Freya). After breaking his sire line, what more does she want from him? His death? Then what? Good stuff. Not seen the episode yet but saw a set of gifset with alraric and Klaus dialogues and it seems it was AFTER he send the donation which is kind of strange. When did he find out about MF and the school since they have been running around finding evil ever since he woke up. EDIT: Now that I think about it, isnt he thanking her for something she did for him and saying "hope to see you in person someday to thank you". What is he thanking her for? Previously I had thought that it was something she did for him in season 4 like for eg. whatever alaric brought for her but now I am wondering if Kc fandom prediction is right: he is thanking her for her devotion to teaching kids of their specie? Davina is still a stupid/ emotional/ trapped in the same loop teenager who is bend upon petty revenge (he has been nothing but "nice" to her since after season 1) and who has gotten too much importance from the people who love her. saying that I still have to watch the episode to really gauge her motives. Why is she not angry at Elijah? I would hate it if the show writers are just going to ignore this issue but seeing Elijah's armor I think he is safe.
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Post by tissuepaper on May 13, 2017 23:28:58 GMT
Elijah snapping his fingers when Marcel got the bone was annoying, but so in character. I know there are some that feel like Elijah's madness has gone overboard lately, but it really hasn't. He's the same way that he's always been, but the only difference is that Klaus isn't doing something worse so it's more in the spotlight now.
As for Davina, I was happy to see her and found myself sad that she's only here for one episode. Kol needs to see her when he comes back, even though I don't really care about that pairing. Her anger towards Klaus is still there and to be fair, he deserves it. Marcel did poison her mind against Klaus from the beginning, but Klaus did kill her crush early on which solidified her hatred for him. Even though he didn't cause her soul to be ripped into shreds, he's still the big baddy to her.
Which is in line with Marcel, who views Klaus as the worst. (to be fair to Marcel, his hatred is only there to hide his love.) Marcel taught her to go after her enemies, because that's what Klaus taught him. Davina is just a byproduct of bad parenting x2. Plus she's a kid and teenage hormones probably heighten some sort of emotions for witches, just like it induces rage for werewolves. (At least I think it does)
Plus, one death to save many lives....is that really a bad thing? Elijah and Klaus would have done the same thing if it meant protecting their family.
Anyways, I was happy to see her and I think the show did a great job in showing us old favourites, Cami and Davina, but in a way that didn't seem forced or out of no where. Klaus is obviously going to see Cami when he's daggared out and Davina tying back to the ancestors makes sense. Kudos to the show.
Am I the only one who thought it was weird that Elijah or Klaus didn't have Freya back them up in some sort of way? I guess she was babysitting Hope or something. But at least bring Vincent.
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Post by dstormborn on May 15, 2017 1:55:35 GMT
That was one of my favorite episodes! Elijah and Marcel bickering, M's sustainable BMW i8, even a less whiny Alaric, finally the werewolf origins, the importance of Hayley and Hope's bloodline, and Hope kicking Davina's ass. Only Davina's return was disappointing, that girl can hold a grudge. I hope Hope will be the one to end the hollow and I've no clue who will be the sacrifice, I think it's either Eljah or Marcel. They probably will copy the TVD ending with a last minute switch. Are we loosing Hope? It seems they're sending her to Caroline's Jean Grey School for Higher Learning.
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Post by AJ on May 15, 2017 4:38:47 GMT
I don't think Hope's going anywhere. I got the impression Alaric mentioning the school is why Klaus sends it a healthy donation. But am still unclear about timelines with TVD and TO.
Also not understanding why Davina was so set on using Klaus for the sacrifice. I'd think she'd be more pissed at Elijah, but she barely registered his presence. With you on a last-minute switch. Will probably end up being Kol, because he's a throwaway character these days.
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Post by AJ on May 15, 2017 4:56:01 GMT
Elijah snapping his fingers when Marcel got the bone was annoying, but so in character. I know there are some that feel like Elijah's madness has gone overboard lately, but it really hasn't. He's the same way that he's always been, but the only difference is that Klaus isn't doing something worse so it's more in the spotlight now. As for Davina, I was happy to see her and found myself sad that she's only here for one episode. Kol needs to see her when he comes back, even though I don't really care about that pairing. Her anger towards Klaus is still there and to be fair, he deserves it. Marcel did poison her mind against Klaus from the beginning, but Klaus did kill her crush early on which solidified her hatred for him. Even though he didn't cause her soul to be ripped into shreds, he's still the big baddy to her. Which is in line with Marcel, who views Klaus as the worst. (to be fair to Marcel, his hatred is only there to hide his love.) Marcel taught her to go after her enemies, because that's what Klaus taught him. Davina is just a byproduct of bad parenting x2. Plus she's a kid and teenage hormones probably heighten some sort of emotions for witches, just like it induces rage for werewolves. (At least I think it does) Plus, one death to save many lives....is that really a bad thing? Elijah and Klaus would have done the same thing if it meant protecting their family. Anyways, I was happy to see her and I think the show did a great job in showing us old favourites, Cami and Davina, but in a way that didn't seem forced or out of no where. Klaus is obviously going to see Cami when he's daggared out and Davina tying back to the ancestors makes sense. Kudos to the show. Am I the only one who thought it was weird that Elijah or Klaus didn't have Freya back them up in some sort of way? I guess she was babysitting Hope or something. But at least bring Vincent. It always amuses me when a character who could really help in a situation suddenly disappears for an ep or two. I wouldn't say Elijah's lost his mind, just that he seems to have lost any type of moral compass (or even a facade of one, as in years past). He's not even pretending to be the noble one now. He and Freya are alike in that regard: family first, screw everyone else. I just remember him being a lot more cunning about it, rather than just plain ruthless. My problem with Davina's fixation on Klaus is that he's done equal harm to her as Elijah or Freya. But Davina is all about how Klaus has lived 10 lifetimes, that's enough. So have Elijah and Kol, but she's ignoring that. Even breaking the sire lines last season was mostly about Klaus to her - Elijah and the Stryx were a secondary thought to her.
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Post by ceraleigh on May 15, 2017 16:57:40 GMT
Elijah snapping his fingers when Marcel got the bone was annoying, but so in character. I know there are some that feel like Elijah's madness has gone overboard lately, but it really hasn't. He's the same way that he's always been, but the only difference is that Klaus isn't doing something worse so it's more in the spotlight now. As for Davina, I was happy to see her and found myself sad that she's only here for one episode. Kol needs to see her when he comes back, even though I don't really care about that pairing. Her anger towards Klaus is still there and to be fair, he deserves it. Marcel did poison her mind against Klaus from the beginning, but Klaus did kill her crush early on which solidified her hatred for him. Even though he didn't cause her soul to be ripped into shreds, he's still the big baddy to her. Which is in line with Marcel, who views Klaus as the worst. (to be fair to Marcel, his hatred is only there to hide his love.) Marcel taught her to go after her enemies, because that's what Klaus taught him. Davina is just a byproduct of bad parenting x2. Plus she's a kid and teenage hormones probably heighten some sort of emotions for witches, just like it induces rage for werewolves. (At least I think it does) Plus, one death to save many lives....is that really a bad thing? Elijah and Klaus would have done the same thing if it meant protecting their family. Anyways, I was happy to see her and I think the show did a great job in showing us old favourites, Cami and Davina, but in a way that didn't seem forced or out of no where. Klaus is obviously going to see Cami when he's daggared out and Davina tying back to the ancestors makes sense. Kudos to the show. Am I the only one who thought it was weird that Elijah or Klaus didn't have Freya back them up in some sort of way? I guess she was babysitting Hope or something. But at least bring Vincent. It always amuses me when a character who could really help in a situation suddenly disappears for an ep or two. I wouldn't say Elijah's lost his mind, just that he seems to have lost any type of moral compass (or even a facade of one, as in years past). He's not even pretending to be the noble one now. He and Freya are alike in that regard: family first, screw everyone else. I just remember him being a lot more cunning about it, rather than just plain ruthless. My problem with Davina's fixation on Klaus is that he's done equal harm to her as Elijah or Freya. But Davina is all about how Klaus has lived 10 lifetimes, that's enough. So have Elijah and Kol, but she's ignoring that. Even breaking the sire lines last season was mostly about Klaus to her - Elijah and the Stryx were a secondary thought to her.It had to be Klaus to be sacrificed this time around because the more powerful the immortal the better. Klaus is more powerful than Elijah. Marcel is slightly more powerful than Klaus but the only way to kill him was in the hands of Elijah Mikaelson and she wasn't going to put the Harvest Girls lives at risk by sending them after someone who already killed them once and has no problem doing it again just to get that weapon when Klaus is powerful enough. As for mainly only caring about breaking Klaus line, her friends were apart of Klaus's line not Elijah's. So if Klaus were to die because of his own stupidity, she didn't want her friends to be forced to pay the price as well. She even showed mercy to Klaus, and tried to make it easier for him. Something none of them ever did for her. She was willing to kill 1 person -who himself was a thousand year old monster - to save everyone in New Orleans including people she don't like;Freya, Elijah, ect.. Whereas Freya and Elijah sacrificed her solely for the purpose of saving their family. Not caring about anyone else. This episode proved that the Mikaelsons, and even Hayley and Marcel, would be willing to let a monster roam free and kill innocent people all to save another monster. They (Marcel and whoever else) need to stop acting like they are doing this to save the city, because they are not. They would all gladly let the world burn as long as they dont have to die. Davina was more in the right to sacrifice Klaus than they were to sacrifice her. As for the confusion and conflicting stories, first the Hollow and Davina said to take the Hollow down you need a powerful immortal sacrifice, then later the Hollow said with a powerful immortal sacrifice she'd be reborn. They (Marcel, Hayley, Mikaelsons) did not know the second part. All they knew was 1 sacrifice and she's gone, and if they loved the city, their family, their daughter like they say then they should have been willing to consider making the sacrifice not put themselves first and let the Hollow walk and endanger their loved ones lives some more.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 15, 2017 20:47:02 GMT
It always amuses me when a character who could really help in a situation suddenly disappears for an ep or two. I wouldn't say Elijah's lost his mind, just that he seems to have lost any type of moral compass (or even a facade of one, as in years past). He's not even pretending to be the noble one now. He and Freya are alike in that regard: family first, screw everyone else. I just remember him being a lot more cunning about it, rather than just plain ruthless. My problem with Davina's fixation on Klaus is that he's done equal harm to her as Elijah or Freya. But Davina is all about how Klaus has lived 10 lifetimes, that's enough. So have Elijah and Kol, but she's ignoring that. Even breaking the sire lines last season was mostly about Klaus to her - Elijah and the Stryx were a secondary thought to her.It had to be Klaus to be sacrificed this time around because the more powerful the immortal the better. Klaus is more powerful than Elijah. Marcel is slightly more powerful than Klaus but the only way to kill him was in the hands of Elijah Mikaelson and she wasn't going to put the Harvest Girls lives at risk by sending them after someone who already killed them once and has no problem doing it again just to get that weapon when Klaus is powerful enough. As for mainly only caring about breaking Klaus line, her friends were apart of Klaus's line not Elijah's. So if Klaus were to die because of his own stupidity, she didn't want her friends to be forced to pay the price as well.
She even showed mercy to Klaus, and tried to make it easier for him. Something none of them ever did for her. She was willing to kill 1 person -who himself was a thousand year old monster - to save everyone in New Orleans including people she don't like;Freya, Elijah, ect.. Whereas Freya and Elijah sacrificed her solely for the purpose of saving their family. Not caring about anyone else. This episode proved that the Mikaelsons, and even Hayley and Marcel, would be willing to let a monster roam free and kill innocent people all to save another monster. They (Marcel and whoever else) need to stop acting like they are doing this to save the city, because they are not. They would all gladly let the world burn as long as they dont have to die. Davina was more in the right to sacrifice Klaus than they were to sacrifice her. As for the confusion and conflicting stories, first the Hollow and Davina said to take the Hollow down you need a powerful immortal sacrifice, then later the Hollow said with a powerful immortal sacrifice she'd be reborn. They (Marcel, Hayley, Mikaelsons) did not know the second part. All they knew was 1 sacrifice and she's gone, and if they loved the city, their family, their daughter like they say then they should have been willing to consider making the sacrifice not put themselves first and let the Hollow walk and endanger their loved ones lives some more. There was no need for the most powerful let alone powerful. She just have to "sacrifice" aka kill if without their permission one immortal. She could have chosen Marcel or Elijah but she chose Klaus coz of her petty revenge. When Elijah finally stepped forward she didnt give that logic that he could replace KLaus or that it had to be KLaus. She would have taken Elijah if Hayley had not stopped him OR if she herself was not fixated on KLaus. BOttom line is that Davia is still upset at KLaus. She didnt show a shred of upset at Elijah when he made an appearance which is unrealistic. It just goes to show how hard they are working on her pettiness and her revenge angle. Klaus being an ass to her didnt help his cause either. And it is not sacrifice It is murder. what elijah idd and what Davina is doing is simple murder not sacrifice for any kind. Sacrifice is when some one does something tothemselves to save others. Edit: I read your post again and I am basically taken aback by how you and I have read the events. Also I realized I had written powerful immortal. I was wrong. No where in this episode it was said that immortal has to be powerful. And she didnt try to make any thing easy for Klaus. She was mocking him basically, gloating. They are not willing to let a monster walk rather than let Davina murder one of them ..."they" aka Hayley and Marcel think there is another option they had not explored. Always jumping to the first available option is not the solution. She is jumping on the opportunity to kill Klaus. Ironically Davina is doing the same thing Elijah and Freya did: didnt look for another way to stop the ancestors. Davina is not sacrificing Klaus. She is murdering him just like Elijah and Freya did to her. And she has no right to murder anyone. If she really wants to save the city then give them options of getting sacrifice which she knows that they will jump at to save Hope rather than killing them. Has she forgotten when she was not given the option in the harvest. Klaus and Co will sacrifice themselves any day to save Hope which is what it all comes down to at the end of the day. But the important thing is that Davina should have given them an option to offer themselves and Elijah did which she was not wiling to take. She wanted to kill Klaus and for no reason. The canon is that immortal sacrifice will entrap the Hollow. That immortal does not have to be powerful. Logically yes it would make sense the more powerful the more strong the spell but no that is not cannon. If it were to be then it would have been mentioned. And also Marcel si more powerful than Klaus in any case. If she is really interested in saving her city and she thought immortal had to be powerful that was needed then her obvious choice should have been Marcel however hard it would have been, after all she has responsibility to protect her city. Saying that she didnt what the harvest girls to die if they went after Elijah does not make sense. Elijah would have been okay with handing over the weapon to kill Marcel because that meant eventually keeping Hope safe not to mention Elijah killed Marcel 5 years ago to keep his family safe. He would have done it again and Davina must have known that. She wouldnt have hesitated if she were acting in her interest of her city and needed powerful immortal sacrifice.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 15, 2017 21:08:59 GMT
Okay so I loved the episode. I love how werewolves came into being. That was very enlightening. I remember CECE and I once discussed it and we came into same conclusion but it was good to see it as cannon.
Glad Elijah died even it is temporary but it means that he will not die permanently ... sad..
When I first read about Davina wanting to sacrifice Klaus I wasnt aware of the WHOLE picture but after watching the episode it is confirmed that Davina is just a petty teenager hell bend on revenge on Klaus for killing her boyfriend and other badies he has done when she should have equal resentment towards Elijah. WHen Elijah offered herself she didnt give any explanation why it had to be Klaus. She just wanted to murder him. She could easily have chosen Marcel or Elijah if she has real interest for NOLA in her heart.
Loved Hope saving her father.
Magic school once again reminded me of CHARMED magic school and Hogswards esp when Alaric said that Hope can use her magic for good. Will hope join the school? Carina said that Klaus will not willingly send her there so maybe. I think originally it was left open that she will go to the school if it happened to be the last season but now that it is not most likely not. Alaric does not want Klaus anywhere near MF or his daughters so I dont know how KC will happen. Good to see Matt Davis. Always liked him.
I know I said it before that it was AFTER but now I think this episode is BEFORE the donation was send. I might be wrong.
So Sofya has two bones and Mikaelsons have two bones.
Marcel...I just loved him and what he said to Davina was just great. She looked like, listening to him like a child caught with her hand in the candy jar. I think she realized that what she was doing was wrong.
I am pretty sure Hayley will grudgingly let Klaus die rather than Elijah to save Hope.
Are they really trying to redeem Elijah after everything he has done? Just an apology and a promise to make things better for Hayley? If they do that that will be mediocre development just like any plain character. The depth they have given to his character will be lost.
I liked how Hayley and Klaus both showed their displeasure at the way Elijah had been handling things. KLaus is definitely sill not okay with Elijah killng Marcel.
I have a question? Marcel blood, is it fatal to Klaus now? I know that the thorn grew out of it but is the blood harmful to him now too? it is ironic that when Marcel was just a vampire, Klaus's a hybrids bite was harmful to him. How the tables have turned. LOL.
Oh and another scene when Hayley hugged HOpe after she said that ".... always and forever" I thought she felt sad. I got the impression that she does not want Hope to be like Elijah or others in the name of family. Did I get it right?
Hope is really powerful. Is it possible that the Hollow, Indau (sp?) will go in her temp after all they both are crescent?
AND THIS IS MURDER PEOPLE, NOT SACRIFICE. SACRIFICE IS WHEN DONE ON YOURSELF NOT OTHERS.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 15, 2017 21:33:22 GMT
I don't think Hope's going anywhere. I got the impression Alaric mentioning the school is why Klaus sends it a healthy donation. But am still unclear about timelines with TVD and TO. Also not understanding why Davina was so set on using Klaus for the sacrifice. I'd think she'd be more pissed at Elijah, but she barely registered his presence. With you on a last-minute switch. Will probably end up being Kol, because he's a throwaway character these days. She is petty. She still holds grudge because of what he did to his friends. I wouldn't be surprised if he holds him liable to Cami's death too. Not to mention that Elijah is the "noble" one. That was her first impression about him. First impressions are hard to forget. I think this episode is before the check was send but I could be wrong. Carina tweeted a while back that TO started 1.5 years after TVD ended which brings them to same time line. But I dont think he has still send the check to her so I am confused.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 15, 2017 21:37:39 GMT
That was one of my favorite episodes! Elijah and Marcel bickering, M's sustainable BMW i8, even a less whiny Alaric, finally the werewolf origins, the importance of Hayley and Hope's bloodline, and Hope kicking Davina's ass. Only Davina's return was disappointing, that girl can hold a grudge.
I hope Hope will be the one to end the hollow and I've no clue who will be the sacrifice, I think it's either Eljah or Marcel. They probably will copy the TVD ending with a last minute switch. Are we loosing Hope? It seems they're sending her to Caroline's Jean Grey School for Higher Learning. Bold part... so true. She thinks that world will become better place without Klaus. If only she opens her eyes to the other monster lurking around. Since Elijah has died once, dont think it will be him. I dont want it to be marcel though. Maybe Klaus since is not needed. Hope does need Klaus but apparentlyHope and Hayley both need Elijah so he seems to be disposable one. Far fetched but maybe there is another option since it was mentioned twice in this episode. I am not sure how will Hope going to MF work. I think we might have "lost" her if this turned out to be last season but I dont think now that we are getting another season we will. Hope going to the school means Klaus will visit MF but Alaric does not want him there so what and how will it happen? In one episode he is inviting Hope to the school and in the next moment telling KLaus that he does not want him anywhere in MF.
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