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Post by Allison on May 2, 2017 8:03:49 GMT
The Originals- 4.07 High Water and a Devil's Daughter
Discussion Thread (Wouldn't fit in title.)
When it's discovered that The Hollow's latest servant is on the loose, Freya places a protection spell on the compound, forcing Klaus, Hayley and Hope to remain inside. Meanwhile, Elijah takes matters into his own hands when Vincent is reluctant to perform a dangerous ritual needed to strengthen their defense against The Hollow. Finally, while Freya enacts a risky plan that brings her face to face with their latest threat, an unexpected twist leaves her life hanging in the balance.
Promo is exciting for brother and sister to meet, Marcel and Hope. I love them all pulling together which I like. I've been really busy lately.
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Post by tissuepaper on May 2, 2017 20:46:50 GMT
I worry that Freya might allow Marcel to be sacrificed if it meant protecting her family. Hopefully Hope doesn't allow that. I'm excited to see Hope and Marcel together. I wonder if he's going to tell her all of the bad stuff that Hayley tried to keep hidden, or will he remember the good for the sake of Hope's innocence.
I'm also excited to see Klaus, Hayley and Hope together only because we haven't really had a scene like this yet. Or seen Hayley with Hope after the second episode.
Also, Klaus looks like he's going into hybrid mode so that might be fun to see.
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Post by moonover on May 4, 2017 18:42:13 GMT
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Post by dstormborn on May 5, 2017 7:45:15 GMT
I really wish it won't be a "Klaus failed Marcellus, so also Hope" kinda story.
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Post by moonover on May 5, 2017 9:07:46 GMT
I think Marcel might hint on that to Hope. But I am a believer and I believe Hope gives father and son the desire to be reconciled.
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Post by moonover on May 5, 2017 13:32:18 GMT
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Post by AJ on May 7, 2017 2:59:55 GMT
So .... what the hell did I just watch?
Not surprised in the least that Marcel would get Hope to free him, or that he would go so far to protect her innocence. I think he's a whiny moron a lot of the time, but I've always respected his dedication to protecting kids. And what the hell is with Elijah now? And apparently Vincent wasted his time severing the link with the ancestors, because now they're a thing again, and the Hollow is apparently female (except wasn't it implied earlier that it was a he?). I'm just .... ugh.
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Post by tissuepaper on May 7, 2017 4:14:22 GMT
Marcel admitted to loving Klaus. Yay! Klaus and Marcel coming to a truce, even thought they both refuse to just talk about their issues. Would it kill Klaus to say that he loves Marcel too? Hope knows a lot more about what's going on, but is playing dumb for her father. The Khayley scenes were nice. Klaus is the worried parent who is afraid of everything and Hayley is just chill. Granted, she had more time with Hope, but still it's funny seeing their dynamic. It's also nice seeing how much they've grown since the first season. From hating each other to laughing at the end. Elijah...I don't know what he's doing. I don't know if he even knows what he's doing. I like his interaction with Vincent, but wow did he really think killing four girls (kids really) would be okay? It's almost like he doesn't know how the witches act like when here. It did work out thanks to Davina, but wow. The Ancestors are back, I guess. Even though they're kind of evil I get why they were needed to be brought back. It was because of them that the Hollow stayed back a bit, but if the enemy of my enemy is my friend then what does that make Vincent who is dealing with the enemy of his enemy who is also the enemy of his other enemy? I hope this doesn't mean he's going to die. I like him and hope he lives. Speaking of the ancestors, I wonder if this means we'll see Celeste again? So the Hollow is a Crescent? I liked Josh in Marcel's body. It was funny and I liked that Charles changed up how he spoke so it felt like Josh. I don't care about Freya and Keelin, but that's only because I'm anti-romance on this show since they can't write it properly. I also liked that we had a scene with Hayley and Hope, because it's been awhile. Sofya is possessed now. When the Hollow first spoke it kind of sounded like Davina.
The preview for the next episode has me really excited. Poor Kol though. He just left and now his girlfriend will be back.
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Post by dstormborn on May 7, 2017 16:28:23 GMT
Wow I really liked this episode! The good stuff: Elijah bringing back the ancestors WITHOUT killing anybody, Marcel and Hope, Josh as Marcel, Freya finally admitting her feelings, the Hollow talks. Not so good: Josh and Vincent whining, Freya falling for a cheap trick, Dominic still seems more a bookkeeper to me and the kicker, Klaus completely failing as father with his lies and negating Hope a normal childhood. Plus it seems they're breaking up Elijah and Hayley, should he heed Vincent's words.
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Post by ceraleigh on May 7, 2017 16:59:43 GMT
Wow I really liked this episode! The good stuff: Elijah bringing back the ancestors WITHOUT killing anybody, Marcel and Hope, Josh as Marcel, Freya finally admitting her feelings, the Hollow talks. Not so good: Josh and Vincent whining, Freya falling for a cheap trick, Dominic still seems more a bookkeeper to me and the kicker, Klaus completely failing as father with his lies and negating Hope a normal childhood. Plus it seems they're breaking up Elijah and Hayley, should he heed Vincent's words. Elijah killed 4 innocent girls and had no way of knowing the ritual would work (it almost didn't, but he didn't care). Josh and Vincent werent whining, everything they said was 100% true. But what do you mean by "negating Hope a normal child"?
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 18:23:36 GMT
A good episode.
I knew it. Marcel and Klaus dont hate each other. But they do have huge egos. Klaus's a little bigger than Marcel, of course. I guess at least Marcel sees Klaus, Hope and Hayley as his family. I really liked their interaction. They patched up their difference as of now. And they both admitted that they love each other albeit marcel has only told Hope but he has told Klaus this before, i think in season 3. When marcel told Klaus that he knew that he was a monster albeit not knowing about a vampire when they first met, was her referring to him as a bad man coz he just killed another person for Marcel?
Hope definitely knows more than what is going on. But I think she just glimpsed the monster in Klaus. I dont know how will that impact the relationship.
Loved Marcel and Hope interaction. I get why he asked Hope to free him. She needed to be protected despite her conviction that she could save herself and her family and Marcel was the one who could do it. I loved Marcel telling him "close your eyes and sing" and its link to what Klaus and Marcel had. Marcel made a very good point about wanting to hate Klaus but not being able to do it. It is just like rebellious son and father interaction. Hope paid a really good role in furthering communication between Klaus and Marcel.
Elijah is being very overpowering. He literally put Klaus in lock and down to keep him safe. Where was this Elijah two seasons ago? He didnt think Klaus was good influence on Hope. Now he thinks Hope needs Klaus just coz Hayley thinks so. He didnt help at all for Klaus to be part of Hope's OR Hayley's life. In fact he caused problems. I am going to say this that he was scared two years ago that if Hayley and Klaus got along well, Hayley might not see him as his knight in shining armor but now that he is confident that it will not be an issue, he is on board with Klaus being there for Hope!
He killed four kids not knowing if they could come back. And then forced Vincent's hands to make things right. I get why he did that and that he does not want Klaus to dirty his hands but the thing is that Klaus does it on impulse whereas Elijah did it knowing that what he was doing was wrong and still did it. He just didnt care until he realized that his actions might not be reversed- Vincent was unable to do the magic and ancestors had gotten hold of Elijah and him, almost. The sad part is that we are supposed to see Elijah as hero after all this. He is doing this for his family and he is trying to protect his little brother. He is paying the price so that his brother does not have to. So the question is that even though the magic worked and the girls are back wouldnt the witches be angry at Mikaelson and Vincent once again. The girls realistically should tell their parents. The peace I think is gone, right? Elijah broke the peace between two factions! But considering the armor Elijah has got I dont have too much hope that anyone would know. Freya didnt, Vincent didnt tell Josh. I do hope the girls would speak up.
There was a moment when I thought Elijah was showing remorse at killing Davina when he saw Vincent talking to her and asking for help. He even knelt before her to show that he believes in what Vincent was saying. Do you think THAT motivated Davina OR Vincent's begging?
I loved Vincent telling some home truth to Elijah. There was a moment that my heart went out for him. Elijah's expressions. Vincent is really great character.
Hayley and Klaus interaction were good. They were so comfortable around each other. I liked Hayley comforting Klaus when he talked about his experience. Hayley really gets Klaus. We got to see what he went through and how he is comparing that with what Marcel must be going through. I think he was lying when he said to Hayley that he is not worried about Marcel. I wish they had not cut 402 scene when Hayley showed Klaus what she went through during those five years. This episode just basically proved that Hayley and Klaus can worked together and live under same roof without getting uncomfortable with the ew relationship tangle.
SO let me get straight. The ancestors were keeping the hollow grounded. Vincent broke the ancestors link to the living, the hollow got free. Now the link has been established, hollow can be contained?
I like Vincent putting Davina as the gateway between ancestors and living. I think previously there was none.
So Tyler's pack is protector of one bone which could mean that Tyler back dates back to one of the original packs. I guess that is why Alaric is coming over then- to hand over the bone. The school must have it.
Hollow has a crescent mark on it so it definitely is Hayley's pack. When was it established that it was a witch too? IIRC From To books we know that a person can be werewolf/witch so it is possible that the hollow was witch and werewolf. What if Hollow was the first witch who was punished by nature for whatever reason and she became the werewolf. I think CECE once told me the origin of werewolves but I cannot recall it. Does anyone know? It is entirely possible that Hollow is as old as history of werewolves.
I think those pictures touch was cute but again so strong HP feel. Hayley as of now is Harry potter of TO. I liked that picture of her dad holding her but I wish she had selected some other picture for the display. And I always knew that Hope would have the mark but it was never established before this episode which is bad writing. This should have been mentioned long ago.
Charles acting as Josh was so great. LOL. He is a great actor. Josh is doing well. I dont know if he is really brave OR he does not have any choice so he has do the bidding.
I am not liking Keelin and Freya. It is moving really fast and does not make sense at all. When did Keelin start to like Freya? Anyways I like Keelin. SHe is a good person. Freya getting doped so easily by that bait for disappointing. She should have known better but it is understandable at how she acted. I liked Keelin calling her out on her being kicked out of house. I think she will be good for Freya. She is trying to get a normal life: Getting an job in this mess up situation. But it is being forced on us. It is a fan service. Even carina sort of admitted that.
Keelin able to revive Freya so long after her death was not realistic.
Freya is handling her emotions/ inner feelings better than Elijah. Both of them feel guilty for killing Davina but Elijah being so proud will never admit it whereas Freya is trying to ask forgiveness or to show her remorse. I liked how hurt she was when Josh told her that he does not want to continue their interaction anymore but then when he showed his concern she was acting all un-hurt.
So now nOLA has unlimited supply of weapons. GREAT.
Hollow is in Sofya now. Here goes my theory about Klaus and Sofya LOL. It is the first time it is possessing someone, right? Others were just servants, right? Hollow has possessed Sofya, does that mean that it has come back as in human form or she just another servant? If it were so easy then why has it not tried it before?
Contrary to popular belief I dont think Haylijah will break up. This is just a new angst for them. IN the end Hayley will see light and realize Elijah is MVP of the family. OR she will be his way to redemption.
Finally Klaus and Hope. I kind of like that Klaus does not know what is best for Hope coz well of course he has been a vampire for 1000 years and does not know what is best for kids but on the other hand I am upset at his future goal for hope: people will be scared of her coz she will be most powerful after freya teaches her everything. It is just like how he thinks for himself. He wants people to be scared of him. But I think Hayley and Klaus as a team will eventually work out what is best for Hope. Hayley is causal/ chill whereas Klaus is overpowering. I dont think it is a bad combination. Also did they just give us some future insight to Hope going to magic school which is bs since there is no better person to teach her than Freya but maybe Freya will go to the school too. But the fact is that Hope does need to be around kids of her age to have a "normal" childhood and to socially develop.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 18:35:02 GMT
Wow I really liked this episode! The good stuff: Elijah bringing back the ancestors WITHOUT killing anybody, Marcel and Hope, Josh as Marcel, Freya finally admitting her feelings, the Hollow talks. Not so good: Josh and Vincent whining, Freya falling for a cheap trick, Dominic still seems more a bookkeeper to me and the kicker, Klaus completely failing as father with his lies and negating Hope a normal childhood. Plus it seems they're breaking up Elijah and Hayley, should he heed Vincent's words. Elijah didnt bring them back, Vincent did by the help of Davina. Elijah gambled and would have lost really bad if Davina OR Vincent had not helped. BUt I can see why Elijah would be considered the person deserving the trophy. Freya did fell for a cheap trick. I liked Klaus learning in the process. No they will never break up Haylijah. Hayley will see light.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 18:36:18 GMT
Marcel admitted to loving Klaus. Yay! Klaus and Marcel coming to a truce, even thought they both refuse to just talk about their issues. Would it kill Klaus to say that he loves Marcel too? Hope knows a lot more about what's going on, but is playing dumb for her father. The Khayley scenes were nice. Klaus is the worried parent who is afraid of everything and Hayley is just chill. Granted, she had more time with Hope, but still it's funny seeing their dynamic. It's also nice seeing how much they've grown since the first season. From hating each other to laughing at the end. Elijah...I don't know what he's doing. I don't know if he even knows what he's doing. I like his interaction with Vincent, but wow did he really think killing four girls (kids really) would be okay? It's almost like he doesn't know how the witches act like when here. It did work out thanks to Davina, but wow. The Ancestors are back, I guess. Even though they're kind of evil I get why they were needed to be brought back. It was because of them that the Hollow stayed back a bit, but if the enemy of my enemy is my friend then what does that make Vincent who is dealing with the enemy of his enemy who is also the enemy of his other enemy? I hope this doesn't mean he's going to die. I like him and hope he lives. Speaking of the ancestors, I wonder if this means we'll see Celeste again? So the Hollow is a Crescent? I liked Josh in Marcel's body. It was funny and I liked that Charles changed up how he spoke so it felt like Josh. I don't care about Freya and Keelin, but that's only because I'm anti-romance on this show since they can't write it properly. I also liked that we had a scene with Hayley and Hope, because it's been awhile. Sofya is possessed now. When the Hollow first spoke it kind of sounded like Davina. The preview for the next episode has me really excited. Poor Kol though. He just left and now his girlfriend will be back. Davins is not coming back. We will always see her in the ancestral plane IMO like in the next episode. Klaus and Hayley go to ancestral plane.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 18:38:43 GMT
So .... what the hell did I just watch? Not surprised in the least that Marcel would get Hope to free him, or that he would go so far to protect her innocence. I think he's a whiny moron a lot of the time, but I've always respected his dedication to protecting kids. And what the hell is with Elijah now? And apparently Vincent wasted his time severing the link with the ancestors, because now they're a thing again, and the Hollow is apparently female (except wasn't it implied earlier that it was a he?). I'm just .... ugh. He didnt use her per se. He protected her which he couldnt if he were trapped in there. Ancestors and Vincent are a thing now but under control. The gateway is through Davina which in Vincent's mind is not as bad as previously. The question is has she forgiven Mikaelson? I don't remember ever being implied that Hollow is male. It was always referred to as "IT", no?
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 19:07:59 GMT
is it strange that I felt bad for Elijah this episode? He has a huge burden to carry. I only wish he is not such a hypocrite and arrogant all the time and maybe fans can see through him.
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