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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 23, 2017 13:37:19 GMT
Marcel is missing at the moment though. And Vincent doesn't like Marcel either, but understands that he needed him to make the city great again. True... But as for likeness I m not too sure. None of the relationships feelings in this show are really clear, are they? Of course except for Mikaelson. I think Vincent trust Marcel a bit more than M family so why doesnt he pressurizes Elijah and Co to release Marcel. It seemed for a second that he wouldnt budge from his stance until Elijah divulged Marcel's whereabouts but then he was like "okay.. fine come in.." Releasing Marcel is important, but dealing with the Hollow is a more pressing matter.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 23, 2017 19:34:06 GMT
True... But as for likeness I m not too sure. None of the relationships feelings in this show are really clear, are they? Of course except for Mikaelson. I think Vincent trust Marcel a bit more than M family so why doesnt he pressurizes Elijah and Co to release Marcel. It seemed for a second that he wouldnt budge from his stance until Elijah divulged Marcel's whereabouts but then he was like "okay.. fine come in.." Releasing Marcel is important, but dealing with the Hollow is a more pressing matter. Hmmm really? The kids were safe. As far as I remember no one else was possessed. No one's else's life was in danger. Did Vincent know that Marcel was possessed? I cannot recall. If it were an isolated incidence of making things okay with Mikaelson (Vincent forgetting that they are enemy and inviting him in his home) I would have let it go but no, this always happens. Huge events happen on this show and I think that they will never get over it and then in one scene everything is peachy except of course when it is certain story related.
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 28, 2017 20:12:53 GMT
Releasing Marcel is important, but dealing with the Hollow is a more pressing matter. Hmmm really? The kids were safe. As far as I remember no one else was possessed. No one's else's life was in danger. Did Vincent know that Marcel was possessed? I cannot recall. If it were an isolated incidence of making things okay with Mikaelson (Vincent forgetting that they are enemy and inviting him in his home) I would have let it go but no, this always happens. Huge events happen on this show and I think that they will never get over it and then in one scene everything is peachy except of course when it is certain story related. Vincent wasn't in the last episode, but I'm assuming he knew what happened with Marcel and Klaus. I don't think Vincent is forgetting anything, but he knows that even though the Hollow is gone from them it is still out there. Considering how he feels responsible about this whole thing, I can see him obsessing over it until he's 1000% sure that the Hollow is gone. Inside look. Nothing new here, except we see Klaus with Marcel and the witch and the girl vampire (who I want to call Sophie, but I'm fairly certain that isn't her name) are teaming up against Klaus. I have a feeling that Elijah is the one who will be hit, but it's going to be a full possession and not his death. The hollow got the kids so it could lure Klaus and Marcel to that valley. It also had them fight against each other so the thorn could manifest. I think the Hollow says one thing, but means another. So a thorn to kill an Original is a thorn that can possess them, because the Hollow wants a strong body.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 28, 2017 22:02:12 GMT
Hmmm really? The kids were safe. As far as I remember no one else was possessed. No one's else's life was in danger. Did Vincent know that Marcel was possessed? I cannot recall. If it were an isolated incidence of making things okay with Mikaelson (Vincent forgetting that they are enemy and inviting him in his home) I would have let it go but no, this always happens. Huge events happen on this show and I think that they will never get over it and then in one scene everything is peachy except of course when it is certain story related. Vincent wasn't in the last episode, but I'm assuming he knew what happened with Marcel and Klaus. I don't think Vincent is forgetting anything, but he knows that even though the Hollow is gone from them it is still out there. Considering how he feels responsible about this whole thing, I can see him obsessing over it until he's 1000% sure that the Hollow is gone. Inside look. Nothing new here, except we see Klaus with Marcel and the witch and the girl vampire (who I want to call Sophie, but I'm fairly certain that isn't her name) are teaming up against Klaus. I have a feeling that Elijah is the one who will be hit, but it's going to be a full possession and not his death.The hollow got the kids so it could lure Klaus and Marcel to that valley. It also had them fight against each other so the thorn could manifest. I think the Hollow says one thing, but means another. So a thorn to kill an Original is a thorn that can possess them, because the Hollow wants a strong body. The important thing to note is that there is not ONE but multiple thorn (Original killing devices) NOW. Wonderful, right? AJ was right. They did come out of Marcel's blood and some sort of vodo that made that plant grow. I think Elijah will be possessed OR will be affected but not now. Later in the season most likely. I get your point about Vincent. The vampire, Sofya (sp ?) OR Dominic (that witch) I think will be possessed if she/ he is not already. I am really getting tired of this high and mighty attitude of everyone in this show. Why does Klaus have to be so damn annoying? You can actually see MN enjoying giving the interview. He really likes what he has done to the show and the characters. I am really interested in the fact that Klaus will have to come up with how he is going to explain to his daughter how he did things. I hope this is shown in cannon and not just conveyed to us through interviews. Maybe this thinking of KLaus will lead to his "redemption" and be a better father to Hope than he was to Marcel. We already got the feeling that Elijah will get his hand dirty this season to make sure that Hope does not see her father dirtying his hands. this interview just sort of confirmed that. Isnt it amazing that this same Elijah was okay with Hayley taking Hope away from Klaus and now he wants Klaus to remain alive for his daughter coz she needs him as per Hayley but then again HE (Elijah) wants to set up home with Hope and Hayley where Klaus can have weekend visitation (hayley's half hearted wish) ? Maybe this getting his hands dirty will lead to Elijah's possession by the hollow? What do you mean by the bold part? Do you think that Freya will de-possess Elijah too like she did with Klaus and Marcel?
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Post by dstormborn on Apr 29, 2017 15:04:54 GMT
Verdict about last episode? Some good stuff but it seemed like a filler episode, and that with only 7 episodes left. Killing the big bad only to bring him back is redundant, so is Sophia's sob story, very Katherine a few miles southeast. She does have nice eyes, though. TVD parties were much better than TO's. That was the lamest of them all. Freya is changing type slower than Marissa Cooper. However, Hayley's face discovering them was priceless.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 29, 2017 17:38:45 GMT
Verdict about last episode? Some good stuff but it seemed like a filler episode, and that with only 7 episodes left. Killing the big bad only to bring him back is redundant, so is Sophia's sob story, very Katherine a few miles southeast. She does have nice eyes, though. TVD parties were much better than TO's. That was the lamest of them all. Freya is changing type slower than Marissa Cooper. However, Hayley's face discovering them was priceless. I have not yet seen the episode but I am hearing a lot of complain too esp that why is that it is always Klaus' enemies who come back to take revenge. I mean last year it was technically Elijah's fault with Strix and all but still they seem to concentrate on Klaus too. Killing Dominic just to bring him back sounds really pathetic plot device. I hear Elijah was quite ruthless about killing Dom, esp after giving Klaus that speech. Even Klaus was surprised at how Elijah was acting, is it true? Sofya's dress from pictures look really really bad. And I hear that Hayley's story was quite a copy of Harry potter incidence and from what I saw in gifs, it does look like that.
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Post by dstormborn on Apr 30, 2017 1:12:16 GMT
Verdict about last episode? Some good stuff but it seemed like a filler episode, and that with only 7 episodes left. Killing the big bad only to bring him back is redundant, so is Sophia's sob story, very Katherine a few miles southeast. She does have nice eyes, though. TVD parties were much better than TO's. That was the lamest of them all. Freya is changing type slower than Marissa Cooper. However, Hayley's face discovering them was priceless. I have not yet seen the episode but I am hearing a lot of complain too esp that why is that it is always Klaus' enemies who come back to take revenge. I mean last year it was technically Elijah's fault with Strix and all but still they seem to concentrate on Klaus too. Killing Dominic just to bring him back sounds really pathetic plot device. I hear Elijah was quite ruthless about killing Dom, esp after giving Klaus that speech. Even Klaus was surprised at how Elijah was acting, is it true? Sofya's dress from pictures look really really bad. And I hear that Hayley's story was quite a copy of Harry potter incidence and from what I saw in gifs, it does look like that. Yeah Klaus wanted to kill everyone and Elijah talked him down just to stage a public execution himself. Klaus then calling him out was OOC, especially since he was visibly amused. I'm going to say Sofya's dress was awesome from a male perspective; Freya on the other hand looked like being in the wrong century. I don't get the HP reference?
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Post by AJ on Apr 30, 2017 1:32:04 GMT
Baby Hayley witnessed her parents being killed by an evil being. I mean, even the camera work was Potter-esque. But the ep also had shots that looked like Silence of the Lambs, so maybe the director was doing it on purpose.
Underwhelmed by the episode. Hate when I can call a resurrection before it happens.
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Post by tissuepaper on May 1, 2017 22:46:32 GMT
I agree that this was the weakest episode of the season, since not much happened. I really wish we saw more of the flashback and that we saw Marcel there taking baby Hayley away. It would have been a great tie in to Marcel's character and how much he loves babies. The show missed a good chance here.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 2:09:04 GMT
Finally got to watch the episode. So here are my thoughts and questions.
Elijah is on the path to save his brother from dirtying his hands. This is all for Hope so that Hope does not see her monster of a father. So the price Elijah/ Haylijah will have to pay this season is that Elijah will lose whatever humanity he has to save Klaus's ? Elijah said to Vincent that he is done with reasoning. What does that mean? Is he going to be more reckless?
Season 4 evil is Voldermort. Evil identified by symbol of snake- Slytherin. Hayley's parents death- copy of Harry potter parents death. Hollow is Voldermort trying to come back (book1-book4 of HP). Last time Hollow attacked was in 1992, the same year Hayley's parents died- copy of Voldermort losing his powers when he attacked Hayley. Do we know why it attacked her parents through Jackson's grandfather in the first place?
Vincent and Freya spilling some truth to each other. Was there some guilt I saw in Freya for killing Davina?
Keelin and Freya are fan service, of course. They are being pushed on us and that too very fast but I am on board just coz keelin might be able to make Freya see that she can have a life away form Mikaelson drama, a normal life.
Oh and did I get a vibe between Klaus and Sofya? Some romantic vibe?
Isnt it very convenient that Hayley is never around to see how vicious Elijah can be. I mean she knows that he can be but she has never seen him do some act of violence, has she?
Elijah stopped Vincent coz eh thought he could get information from Dominic, right?
Loved Vincent insulting and complementing Klaus in one sentence lol.
Loved Vincent calling out on Elijah. Did I mention I am really liking Vincent so far.
Marcel- Klaus cannot help being an ass, can he? Does Marcel care about Sofya? It seemed that he was trying to defend/protect her from Klaus.
So there was a gap of 40 years between the hollow previous two attacks 1953, 1992. Why? Dominic said that Vincent ancestors was holding it back until Vincent set it free. Which means 10 years ago, right? Hayley's parents were hiding that bone in that doll and the locker was spelled closed. Does that mean that Hayley's parents were working with Vincent's family/ ancestors? Wild theory: IIRC Lana was a werewolf and black. it is possible that Vincent family is somehow linked with Hayley's. Witches can be werewolves, right? Both are created by nature.
OH and Josh. I have to give it to that guy. He seems to have no backbone but manages to get his businesses done. I am starting to not mind him at all.
Sofya, what is her deal? does she really care about marcel? Oh and what a surprise, her harboring for revenge for 500 years but for Marcel and the fear of her own life she lets him go. If someone really wants revenge they dont let it go so easily.
was it papa tunde's blade, Klaus was looking for? is it the second bone the hollow needs? papa tunde had that blade in season 1. Where did he get it from? Is it possible that he had it back in 1919 which is somewhat closer to 1953?
Now I have to say that Hayley's wardrobe has improved by bounds this season. Freya was looking beautiful in that part. The actress playing Keelin is so pretty.
Thoughts? I dont see many reviews for this episode.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 3:17:11 GMT
I have not yet seen the episode but I am hearing a lot of complain too esp that why is that it is always Klaus' enemies who come back to take revenge. I mean last year it was technically Elijah's fault with Strix and all but still they seem to concentrate on Klaus too. Killing Dominic just to bring him back sounds really pathetic plot device. I hear Elijah was quite ruthless about killing Dom, esp after giving Klaus that speech. Even Klaus was surprised at how Elijah was acting, is it true? Sofya's dress from pictures look really really bad. And I hear that Hayley's story was quite a copy of Harry potter incidence and from what I saw in gifs, it does look like that. Yeah Klaus wanted to kill everyone and Elijah talked him down just to stage a public execution himself. Klaus then calling him out was OOC, especially since he was visibly amused. I'm going to say Sofya's dress was awesome from a male perspective; Freya on the other hand looked like being in the wrong century. I don't get the HP reference? So after watching the episode, I am pretty sure Klaus was not at all amused by Elijah killing Dominic. In fact he was shocked at the way Elijah handled that. TO be frank I was too but I guess he was sending a message. Elijah just poked the sleeping bear IMO. Klaus was not at all OOC. Elijah killed Dominic ahead of his time, I think which we later discovered was right. Even elijah realized that. I dont think Klaus wanting to kill everyone was serious suggestion. He was being an over confident prick. Hayley's parents death was very similar to like how Harry potter's parents died. Have you read the books or seen the movie? Even the picturization was similar. For the rest of similarities read my comments of this episode. untilforeverends.freeforums.net/post/806/threadHated Sofya's dress , will say it again lol. Loved Freya's, the one she wore in the party.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 3:24:16 GMT
I agree that this was the weakest episode of the season, since not much happened. I really wish we saw more of the flashback and that we saw Marcel there taking baby Hayley away. It would have been a great tie in to Marcel's character and how much he loves babies. The show missed a good chance here. I would have loved seeing Marcel saving Hayley. That would really have connected that flashback with story we have been told so far. I too think the episode was filler but at the same time we did find out some history about the hollow and its connection to Vincent and Hayley's families. We also got to see Elijah starting to dirty his hands for Klaus/Hope sake. And we got to see Klaus putting his foot down on him wanting to actively participate in the protection of his daughter instead of being put in lock and key and let others do what is important like what Elijah is suggesting. It is important for him as a parent to know that he did something to protect his own daughter and I think it will be important to Hope too once she knows that her father is doing actual running around to protect her. This actual participation will give him a feeling of deeper protectiveness and deeper bond will be created between him and Hope. Not to mention Hayley will feel good when she sees him running around doing some effort. Not to mention Elijah will not be only person in Hope's eyes who really cares about her. Also we got to see Freya can have a life outside her family as Keelin suggested. Maybe she should take the opportunity when the Hollow is dealt with. Basically I think some of the relationships and their goals were handled in this episode.
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Post by dstormborn on May 7, 2017 14:40:03 GMT
Yeah Klaus wanted to kill everyone and Elijah talked him down just to stage a public execution himself. Klaus then calling him out was OOC, especially since he was visibly amused. I'm going to say Sofya's dress was awesome from a male perspective; Freya on the other hand looked like being in the wrong century. I don't get the HP reference? So after watching the episode, I am pretty sure Klaus was not at all amused by Elijah killing Dominic. In fact he was shocked at the way Elijah handled that. TO be frank I was too but I guess he was sending a message. Elijah just poked the sleeping bear IMO. Klaus was not at all OOC. Elijah killed Dominic ahead of his time, I think which we later discovered was right. Even elijah realized that. I dont think Klaus wanting to kill everyone was serious suggestion. He was being an over confident prick. Hayley's parents death was very similar to like how Harry potter's parents died. Have you read the books or seen the movie? Even the picturization was similar. For the rest of similarities read my comments of this episode. untilforeverends.freeforums.net/post/806/threadHated Sofya's dress , will say it again lol. Loved Freya's, the one she wore in the party. I forgot about HP, it's been a while, btw another one who ended up with the wrong partner, just like Buffy, Ryan Atwood, Caroline Forbes, Elena Gilbert and - spoiler - after the last episode Elijah. Yes, I rewatched the episode in HD, Klaus was definitely not amused.
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Post by Madamimadam on May 7, 2017 16:38:31 GMT
So after watching the episode, I am pretty sure Klaus was not at all amused by Elijah killing Dominic. In fact he was shocked at the way Elijah handled that. TO be frank I was too but I guess he was sending a message. Elijah just poked the sleeping bear IMO. Klaus was not at all OOC. Elijah killed Dominic ahead of his time, I think which we later discovered was right. Even elijah realized that. I dont think Klaus wanting to kill everyone was serious suggestion. He was being an over confident prick. Hayley's parents death was very similar to like how Harry potter's parents died. Have you read the books or seen the movie? Even the picturization was similar. For the rest of similarities read my comments of this episode. untilforeverends.freeforums.net/post/806/threadHated Sofya's dress , will say it again lol. Loved Freya's, the one she wore in the party. I forgot about HP, it's been a while, btw another one who ended up with the wrong partner, just like Buffy, Ryan Atwood, Caroline Forbes, Elena Gilbert and - spoiler - after the last episode Elijah.Yes, I rewatched the episode in HD, Klaus was definitely not amused. Yeah he was not amused. He even took him to task, even if it was a bit. what do you mean by bold part? Do you mean in crime fighting wise or romantically? Dont hesitate to give me spoilers. I am btw going to watch the episode now. House is empty HP is a constant feature in my house. Yes still LOL. Now it is my kids who are fans:). Elena- stefan Caroline- Klaus Buffy - angel OR SPike? I have not seen the full series ever
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Post by dstormborn on May 8, 2017 8:18:08 GMT
I forgot about HP, it's been a while, btw another one who ended up with the wrong partner, just like Buffy, Ryan Atwood, Caroline Forbes, Elena Gilbert and - spoiler - after the last episode Elijah.Yes, I rewatched the episode in HD, Klaus was definitely not amused. Yeah he was not amused. He even took him to task, even if it was a bit. what do you mean by bold part? Do you mean in crime fighting wise or romantically? Dont hesitate to give me spoilers. I am btw going to watch the episode now. House is empty HP is a constant feature in my house. Yes still LOL. Now it is my kids who are fans:). Elena- stefan Caroline- Klaus Buffy - angel OR SPike? I have not seen the full series ever Even the HP author admitted that it was a mistake not to couple Harry and Hermione. I never get the romantic couples I like. Buffy didn't get Angel, don't get me started on Marissa Cooper (O.C. California), I never liked Delena, and poor Caroline probably will end up with the ex husband of Elena's mother / her teacher instead with Klaus, Tyler or Stefan, sooo creepy.
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