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Post by Allison on Mar 28, 2017 12:00:04 GMT
The Originals- 4.03 "Haunter of Ruins"
FATHERS & DAUGHTERS — After five long years apart, Klaus attempts to reconnect with his daughter, Hope. Even as father and daughter bond, the rest of the family is still in turmoil. Elijah mediates a conflict between Hayley and Freya to determine the best way to protect the family. Meanwhile, in New Orleans, Vincent tells Marcel terrible secrets about his ex-wife, Eva Sinclair, even as they begin their search for a mysterious witch who plans to sacrifice a group of innocent children – including Hope Mikaelson.
The Klaus and Hope actual reunion although she was positively adorable last episode when Klaus and Hayley looked in on her while she was asleep.
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Post by Madamimadam on Mar 28, 2017 15:24:50 GMT
That was such a great scene. Another great scene was how Klaus hesitated when Hayley invited him to see Hope. He was scared. It reminded me of when she invited him to feel the kick for the first time.
Another underestimated scene when Klaus was talking about how Hope and her children and their children will come to take revenge. Even though i didnt like him hoping that his daughter will be on the revenge path but I want to point the significance of him talking about his desire and hope for Hope to have a normal healthy future with her kids and grandkids.
I am so ready to see Klaus and Hope relationship evolve in this season.
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Post by dstormborn on Mar 29, 2017 9:44:12 GMT
From the promo and pictures it seems to me that Hope's cautious when dealing with her child murdering daddy. I like that he has to invest some work into this relation.
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Post by Madamimadam on Mar 29, 2017 13:21:09 GMT
From the promo and pictures it seems to me that Hope's cautious when dealing with her child murdering daddy. I like that he has to invest some work into this relation. Yes I am glad that he has to work too but I dont think that caution is because she is afraid of him. I think that is natural cautious from someone who has not seen her father ever before. She was just two when she last saw him so how can she be afraid of him. I think she is in awe with him. There was one dialogue in the promo, I think the extended promo of s4, in which she say "I know you are the strongest man who will keep all bad things away from me" something like that. Does Hope know that her family is vampires? I am very curious what Hayley has told her about her family and about Marcel and why they were not in her life so far. |
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Post by dstormborn on Mar 29, 2017 15:59:41 GMT
From the promo and pictures it seems to me that Hope's cautious when dealing with her child murdering daddy. I like that he has to invest some work into this relation. Yes I am glad that he has to work too but I dont think that caution is because she is afraid of him. I think that is natural cautious from someone who has not seen her father ever before. She was just two when she last saw him so how can she be afraid of him. I think she is in awe with him. There was one dialogue in the promo, I think the extended promo of s4, in which she say "I know you are the strongest man who will keep all bad things away from me" something like that. Does Hope know that her family is vampires? I am very curious what Hayley has told her about her family and about Marcel and why they were not in her life so far. Yes, that's what I mean. Hope is (hopefully lol) unaware that Klaus killed a lot of my favorite characters. But he yells a lot and is an imposing figure, not so easy to access like Josh. |
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Post by dstormborn on Mar 31, 2017 13:23:16 GMT
Called it lol. First thing Hope sees from her dad is a yelling Klaus.
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Post by AJ on Apr 1, 2017 21:33:54 GMT
Called it - Hayley and Freya fighting about Keelin and Elijah siding with Hayley. Absolutely loved the Klaus/Hope scenes, and am happy Bex and Kol are out finding their own happiness. This Vincent storyline is still my fave.
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Post by Allison on Apr 2, 2017 1:37:01 GMT
The episode was amazing and the ratings matched last week- 0.4. I know it's a case of the CW doesn't want to renew but the egg on their face isn't looking good. The episode was great and I loved the fact Vincent brought up that about Hope- Freya... well, they do need someone to fill the Klaus doing things that ends up hurting their family and it was in character with her to do so. Hayley wasn't denying the bad things she had done or her in-character from her first appearance in TVD ability to do them for her family and justify it, Elijah was putting her on a pedestal which has more to do with him than her.
Season Four is shaping up to be a great season and maintaining their progression as in story improving every season.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 3, 2017 19:23:08 GMT
Okay so finally got to see the episode... It was another good episode but looked like a fill up which was needed to fill in the blanks. Freya was pain in an ass. She is scared and she is beyond tolerable. Her talking about Hope's innocence was way out of line. She was totally paranoid. She and Hayley about Keelin, some of us called it. Elijah is in denial, I think, about who she really is. She is saying that she did terrible things and he is saying "you are good." "You are not Mikaelson because your heart is pure." Annoyed the hell out of me. Really? That is telling a lot about him. He has idea of who Hayley si in his mind and he wants to stick with it but that does not mean that he does not love the Hayley he sees and same goes for Hayley about Elijah. He betrayed his sister for Hayley. I wonder what he will continue to do for her?! But at last he expressed his feelings for her. Finally! They really love each other. They should get a HEA but I have a bad feeling from his and Klaus talk towards the end of episode "Hope needs her father in her life" I am calling it now. This season will show how much Hayley and Elijah are alike. They both do terrible things and then feel guilty about doing them. Question: How is Hayley okay with Elijah and Freya getting Davina killed and not keeping Keelin captured, captured not killed? Kol clearly never really forgave Elijah and Freya for getting Davina' killed. Klope scenes were life of the show. Klaus was so proud of his daughter and she of him. He shared his childhood with her. He talked about Kol. That is telling a lot.  even if treats him so (?) Klaus reactions were so appropriate at all scenes, worried when scene the serious drawings, proud when seeing the childish drawing, their talks, them opening up to each other. Hope doing magic thinking that he mom does not know what she is doing was so cute Klaus blaming Hayley, I saw that coming a while back when an interview of JP shed light on it a bit and then the promo came. Was expected. Vincent dabbled with dark magic for his child. They all are perfect fit for each other. But who gave him the book? He said that he wrote it but he also says that he doe snot remember it. That indestructible book idea, I suspect JP got from Charmed. There are of course other shows wit the same plot but I suspect Charmed and that also makes me wonder if that child Eva was carrying EVIL too, like Pheobe's? Did that child die? Eva was pretty convinced that "it"(demon) is alive even after the cleansing and it will come back for Vincent when it will need him. I remember Vincent talking about darkness in him in s3, we finally get to discover it this season. Vincent convincing Marcel about Hope's protection was a good touch. Marcel still cares/ loves Mikaelson and that is why he does not want Vincent to tell them that he let them in town. He looked so worried about Hope. When he picked up that brush, I think he recognized it somehow. I am so happy Rebekah and Kol left. Kol made good points about the codependency in this family. They are sick!! Rebekah will never be successful in finding a family for herself. She just likes to whine about it. Elijah looked so confused for a while when Rebekah put him in that situation "what he will do now that Klaus does not need him?" But then he talked about his "dream" I am calling it.. his dream was to have a family of his own and that is why he was drawn to Hayley initially. She was someone who gave family to Klaus when no one else could. No worries about him not having a plot though. He is back on track by the end of episode so no worries The biggest surprise of episode when WILL killed that man so cold bloodily. Got to find out some history of Marcel. He killed witches who didnt obey him. How did Vincent free "it"? Klayley had good parent bonding scene. I wish they had not cut the most important one. We would have gotten to see last five years of Hayley's and Hope's life. My favorite sentence was "she is practically a sister" "You, luv are daughter of Klaus Mikaelson..." "You are most powerful.." How did Hayley know about that letter? Did Vincent use magic to put that letter in her pocket? Hayley told Hope about who they all are, I was surprised. Freya trying to kill Marcel is ... not surprising. I think Keelin gave her some idea when she was talking about those enzymes and chemicals ... I think we can all say that Hope is not the evil of the season. Evil is after her. Theories: 1) Could the demon be their unborn child? Somehow he survived. 2)The voice over of EVA when WIll was killing that man and transporting the kids, could it mean somehow his involvement? 3)Is Vincent the big bad of season? 4) Eva said that the emptiness/demon is in Vincent too so could it be that it wrote the book? It was already starting to possess Vincent but he continued to fight it somehow? Could the demon be something to do with ancestors since it resides in the city soil? Overall not a bad episode. |
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Post by AJ on Apr 3, 2017 22:43:54 GMT
I don't think we know enough yet about the magic at work in NOLA. But we do know that dark magic can overtake a witch, it happened to Bonnie for a bit. It happened to Willow in Buffy. It may have briefly taken over Vincent (long enough to write the book, yet he doesn't remember doing it). Still not clear on why this type of magic requires children specifically. I'm betting it can take over humans, and already has Will. Can't convince me Will is willingly doing this. It's possible Eva and Vincent's baby isn't dead and may be at the root of what's going on now. I kind of hope not though.
No way Marcel would allow Hope to be harmed, no matter the beef he has with her family. He's been about protecting kids from the start, and it's just about the only good thing I have to say about him these days. I rolled my eyes hard at him proclaiming his gag rule on witches at the start of the series was about protecting Davina. That may have been part of it, but it damn sure wasn't the only part. He used Davina.
I think Bex will get her family. She'll probably end up adopting a few kids and raising them on her own. I rather hope Elijah does the same, he seems to want a family as well. I'm all about the Klaus/Hayley parenting scenes. Been wanting them to work together from the start. I don't think Marcel will die, unless this is the last season. I think they'll just de-power him, which I'm okay with. But agree with you, Freya is nuts right now. I mean, I get her reasoning, but her kind of thinking is why her family has so many enemies.
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 3, 2017 23:35:00 GMT
I don't think we know enough yet about the magic at work in NOLA. But we do know that dark magic can overtake a witch, it happened to Bonnie for a bit. It happened to Willow in Buffy. It may have briefly taken over Vincent (long enough to write the book, yet he doesn't remember doing it). Still not clear on why this type of magic requires children specifically. I'm betting it can take over humans, and already has Will. Can't convince me Will is willingly doing this. It's possible Eva and Vincent's baby isn't dead and may be at the root of what's going on now. I kind of hope not though. No way Marcel would allow Hope to be harmed, no matter the beef he has with her family. He's been about protecting kids from the start, and it's just about the only good thing I have to say about him these days. I rolled my eyes hard at him proclaiming his gag rule on witches at the start of the series was about protecting Davina. That may have been part of it, but it damn sure wasn't the only part. He used Davina. I think Bex will get her family. She'll probably end up adopting a few kids and raising them on her own. I rather hope Elijah does the same, he seems to want a family as well. I'm all about the Klaus/Hayley parenting scenes. Been wanting them to work together from the start. I don't think Marcel will die, unless this is the last season. I think they'll just de-power him, which I'm okay with. But agree with you, Freya is nuts right now. I mean, I get her reasoning, but her kind of thinking is why her family has so many enemies. Now that I think about it I am not too surprised at why Freya is reacting that way. She is all about family. They all have screwed up ideas about how to protect their family. Considering her past and how she lived with Dahlia and searched for her family, I can understand her not giving a damn about Hope's innocence and the desire that it will be her family who can protect her so her first priority is to protect that family that will in take protect Hope. My question is that is Freya really protecting her family for Hope's sake or for her own sake? For some reason it seemed to me that she didnt really care about Hope. I could be wrong. Mikaelson family thinking is screwed up. You are right they make enemies through this thinking of theirs. So you think Will is possessed. Never thought of it. Good theory. So it is possible that the darkness could take over Vincent and he will become the big bad evil? Or better yet take over Elijah? I hear rumors that Elijah and Klaus will be at odd this season and there will be a price to pay in Haylijah love story (MN interview)? That man who had the kids captive said to Vincent in the end that "it" wants to sacrifice things that are important. These kids have magic and right now they are pure of any evil so maybe that is why darkness is after the kids. I remember that episode from SPN where this Stratega (sp ?) was after kids soul (?). It came after Sam too. Often evil comes after kids. I suspect because they are pure and evil feeds on it. [confused] Marcel might have used Davina but that does not mean that he does not cared about her Or even loved her. This show is full of people who use each other but they love each other too. Marcel will not be de-powered at least for a while now but Freya is on to making some weapon to kill him so I am not sure what will happen? Will Klaus stop her? Elijah, I dont see him doing anything to stop Freya unless Hayley persuades him to persuade Freya. But you are right I dont see him dying. If Klaus kills him then that is sending a bad message. Adopted kids vs birth kids. I am not sold on Klaus killing Marcel for any reason. Elijah is on the way to having his family with Hayley and Hope. Hayley practically said that she would like to have a family with Elijah with Klaus getting visitation rights over the weekend. I was not surprised. I was suspecting this to happen now for a while. Sad that she feels that Klaus shouldnt see HOpe on daily basis. I said that in s1 whoever Hayley ends up with Hope will be that man, now that has become cannon. SO was not really surprised when she said that. KH fans called it in s1 that Elijah saw Hayley as a gateway to having his own dream come true. Having family was always in his subconscious even if he had "forgotten" about it after centuries of trying to protect/ help Klaus, that is why he was drawn to Hayley at the start of s1. Unconsciously he saw her as a second chance of having a family. I felt so bad for Vincent that it was his desire to dabble with dark magic that caused demise of his family life. It is really tragic that his desire not to leave the town caused this. I get why he didnt want to leave town but it was sad. It reminded me of how Cami met her demise. He looked so devasted when he was telling Marcel about that cleansing spell and then in the church. But I have to give it to him that he never blamed anyone else for his own mistake. As for Rebekah, no she will not have a family, at least not by the end of this season. Rebekah is coming back for a few episode at the end of s4 I suspect for the final round of evil fighting. How can she come back if she has adopted kids and started her family? Eva was pretty sweet until Vincent and she casted a spell on themselves to become most powerful against Marcel, right? But she did kill that birth ruthlessly; something she loved so was she really even sweet at that point? EDIT: Just thought of it. The sacrifices of something you love/precious/ something you care about to will be rewarded, right? 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Post by AJ on Apr 4, 2017 0:54:23 GMT
I think Freya is thinking of her entire family, and not just Hope. Marcel becoming supervamp and nearly wiping out her and her siblings left a bitter taste in her mouth, and she seems to be on a crusade to de-power and kill him, so that her family is back to being rulers.
Earlier in the ep, Will was all about helping find the missing kids, so he wouldn't show up and kill someone who was bringing them back home. He has to be under someone or something's control. Humans seem to be pretty susceptible to that. I think it will be Vincent, as the big bad. This thing seems to be sticking to witch kids, I can't see it taking over a vampire to achieve its goals. And Elijah and Klaus are often at odds, I wouldn't put a lot of weight to that just yet.
I think you mean Strega, a form of witch. I don't remember that specific ep, though.
I don't doubt Marcel and Davina cared for each other, I just meant that Marcel saying he was doing that to protect Davina is bull. He had ulterior motives, and to pretend otherwise is laughable. I don't think Freya will stop until she finds a way to either kill or de-power Marcel, and I don't know that her family will stop her. I will be beyond pissed if the show ends with Klaus being replaced by Elijah as Hope's dad. That's killing the premise of the show.
Bex can come back at any point with kids in tow, to meet her family. Why not?
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 4, 2017 1:03:41 GMT
I think Freya is thinking of her entire family, and not just Hope. Marcel becoming supervamp and nearly wiping out her and her siblings left a bitter taste in her mouth, and she seems to be on a crusade to de-power and kill him, so that her family is back to being rulers. Earlier in the ep, Will was all about helping find the missing kids, so he wouldn't show up and kill someone who was bringing them back home. He has to be under someone or something's control. Humans seem to be pretty susceptible to that. I think it will be Vincent, as the big bad. This thing seems to be sticking to witch kids, I can't see it taking over a vampire to achieve its goals. And Elijah and Klaus are often at odds, I wouldn't put a lot of weight to that just yet. I think you mean Strega, a form of witch. I don't remember that specific ep, though. I don't doubt Marcel and Davina cared for each other, I just meant that Marcel saying he was doing that to protect Davina is bull. He had ulterior motives, and to pretend otherwise is laughable. I don't think Freya will stop until she finds a way to either kill or de-power Marcel, and I don't know that her family will stop her. I will be beyond pissed if the show ends with Klaus being replaced by Elijah as Hope's dad. That's killing the premise of the show. Bex can come back at any point with kids in tow, to meet her family. Why not? I will be there with you when you get pissed off lol but Elijah will not be replaced as Hope's dad per se, I am sure the writers will continue insist on that. Klaus will always be her father (an absentee father) but realistically whoever Hope lives with on daily basis will get to be her father since he will be there for her 24/7 so why wouldnt she start seeing him as her father. This was the reason I never thought EH or JH would work but I was wrong. This is an adult show and it can work. Yes Strega !! LOL Why would the thing stick to vampire? It is going after kids and apart from Hope there is no vampire kid in the vicinity of NOLA. I dont think Mikaelson are in danger of Marcel anymore, any more than Marcel was in danger of Klaus when Klaus had upper hand. He let them go, no? He is letting them back in on good will so no problem there. But does Freya in her paranoid mind know that? No. So yeah she will keep on working on that weapon. I think Klaus will stop her. If Freya has to choose between her sibling or Hope, I think she will choose her sibling. Rest of them will chose Hope. Not 100% about Elijah though. |
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Post by tissuepaper on Apr 5, 2017 2:34:00 GMT
I'm starting to appreciate the fact that this season is so short. The story seems a lot more focused now and it doesn't feel like it's dragging at its heels or anything. The goodbye between Klaus and Rebekah keeps happening in every season though. If they bring Claire back I hope we don't get another 'goodbye' scene again. The Vincent stuff was great as was Klaus and Hope bonding. I wish we had a scene with Hope and the rest of the family, especially Kol. I'm going to miss him.  I'm glad Will is still around, but it seems like he's possessed by something evil. I hope he doesn't die, but he is human so his time is already limited here After watching the episode, I kind of want a scene between Hope and Marcel where Hope acknowledges him as family and as a brother. Despite his problems with the Originals and their problems with him, he can't resist kids and people with the last name of Mikaelson so I can definitely see Hope as the light that brings them together. Hayley practically said that she would like to have a family with Elijah with Klaus getting visitation rights over the weekend. I was not surprised. I was suspecting this to happen now for a while. Sad that she feels that Klaus shouldnt see HOpe on daily basis. I said that in s1 whoever Hayley ends up with Hope will be that man, now that has become cannon. SO was not really surprised when she said that. KH fans called it in s1 that Elijah saw Hayley as a gateway to having his own dream come true. Having family was always in his subconscious even if he had "forgotten" about it after centuries of trying to protect/ help Klaus, that is why he was drawn to Hayley at the start of s1. Unconsciously he saw her as a second chance of having a family. I'm pretty sure she was joking here. Even if she likes Elijah more, she wouldn't push Klaus away to the weekends. She wouldn't do that to Hope and we saw a bit of that when she only told her the good things about Klaus and none of the bad. Compared to her taking Hope away in S3 and her words in the last ep is completely different. She's accepted that she's part of their family and she's willing to do anything to make sure that Hope has her family in her life. |
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Post by Madamimadam on Apr 5, 2017 3:40:52 GMT
I'm starting to appreciate the fact that this season is so short. The story seems a lot more focused now and it doesn't feel like it's dragging at its heels or anything.
The goodbye between Klaus and Rebekah keeps happening in every season though. If they bring Claire back I hope we don't get another 'goodbye' scene again. The Vincent stuff was great as was Klaus and Hope bonding. I wish we had a scene with Hope and the rest of the family, especially Kol. I'm going to miss him. I'm glad Will is still around, but it seems like he's possessed by something evil. I hope he doesn't die, but he is human so his time is already limited here After watching the episode, I kind of want a scene between Hope and Marcel where Hope acknowledges him as family and as a brother. Despite his problems with the Originals and their problems with him, he can't resist kids and people with the last name of Mikaelson so I can definitely see Hope as the light that brings them together. Hayley practically said that she would like to have a family with Elijah with Klaus getting visitation rights over the weekend. I was not surprised. I was suspecting this to happen now for a while. Sad that she feels that Klaus shouldnt see HOpe on daily basis. I said that in s1 whoever Hayley ends up with Hope will be that man, now that has become cannon. SO was not really surprised when she said that. KH fans called it in s1 that Elijah saw Hayley as a gateway to having his own dream come true. Having family was always in his subconscious even if he had "forgotten" about it after centuries of trying to protect/ help Klaus, that is why he was drawn to Hayley at the start of s1. Unconsciously he saw her as a second chance of having a family. I'm pretty sure she was joking here. Even if she likes Elijah more, she wouldn't push Klaus away to the weekends. She wouldn't do that to Hope and we saw a bit of that when she only told her the good things about Klaus and none of the bad. Compared to her taking Hope away in S3 and her words in the last ep is completely different. She's accepted that she's part of their family and she's willing to do anything to make sure that Hope has her family in her life. Agree about the bold part. I dot think she was joking. And even if she was joking every joke a person makes comes from a small true or wish. A fact of real life. hayley will leave with Hope and Elijah any second if she gets a chance and Elijah encourages her. I can see a future where Hope is living with Hayley and Elijah WHILE Klaus will set home with Caroline and her kids. ONE BIG Happy family. I agree about Vincent story. Will does seem possess. He will not die. He is the token human on the show and Carina likes him apparently. But what if he is the big evil Or Vincent? Rebekah.. I dont care. Glad she is gone. She will come back again and they will have this final get together where everyone is happy and all. Dont think we will have another goodbye scene again at the end of season. Kol will be back too from my understanding of some bts pictures of e12. Maybe we will get to see some scene with him and Hope then. He does not seem to care about her though, that is the feeling I got at least. SPOILER . . . . . . . . . . . . Hope and Marcel do have scenes coming up, pretty good one from my understanding and she will see him as family and as per spoilers she will talk good about him to Klaus. (I hope spoiler is not misleading) So happy and looking forward to it. |
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even if treats him so (?) Klaus reactions were so appropriate at all scenes, worried when scene the serious drawings, proud when seeing the childish drawing, their talks, them opening up to each other. Hope doing magic thinking that he mom does not know what she is doing was so cute 
I'm glad Will is still around, but it seems like he's possessed by something evil. I hope he doesn't die, but he is human so his time is already limited here